A correction first. In post #8 above, the first sentence in bold was supposed to state, "Prove that Walmart was NOT in a Gun Free zone".

As for Number 8 of the silly proposals up above,

8. Licensing and registration of semiautomatic rifles. The semiautomatic rifle that fires a high velocity projectile is the most lethal of all firearms in both the type of wounds created and the number of victims per minute. This requirement is not based upon appearance but instead is based upon the functionality of the firearm. Excluded should be the .22 cal semiautomatic rifle because it doesn't fire a high velocity round. The .22 caliber exception also provides a means for those that just love to "burn ammunition" to have all of the fun they want.

I cannot believe that crap came from a combat veteran. Instead, it looks like some video game armchair combat "veteran" pulled that out of his ass.

For further information, I am against every single one of those proposals, and I say to the above "combat veteran" and to everybody else concerned that it is not anybody's damned business what type of firearm or number of them I have.

The story addresses concealed weapons permits and not background checks. The government retains information on these permits because they need to be able to verify the authenticity and they also notify the holders when it's time to renew the permit. Permits are issued by state and local law enforcement offices, not by the federal government, and there are no documents issued with a background check.

I mentioned on private access to the FBI NICS database the search should allow printing of a receipt for the transaction as proof for running the check. Background check information is stored for a limited amount of time and then erased from what I understand.

If not then change the law to protect privacy but the federal government already knows more about you than you can possibly imagine. People that are afraid of the federal government need to get a life.

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Sad news for you, redd. The government already has your information. If you were picked up for vagrancy in 1962 in some podunk town in Alabama before the internet, the FBI still has your record. Don't ask me how but they do so background checks won't change anything there.

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A private property owner or lease holder can impose restrictions upon people entering the business. People aren't allowed to be armed if they come onto my property or in my house either. That's call "property rights" in America.That's not a "gun free zone" where the government prohibits private individuals from carrying firearms.

Except in a very rare situation, as a combat veteran I'd never attempt to engage another person in a gun fight if I had the opportunity to excape taking my loved one's with me. That's stupid and a reason why we have law enforcement to begin with.

A person proficient with firearms does not require more than five rounds in a removable magazine from a high powered firearm any lawful purpose. Five rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber provides six shots. More than that is not required for self-defense, not required for hunting, not required for competitive events to prove competency or for sporting purposes.

It's interesting because when I learned to shoot my father gave me a single shot .22 rifle and I learned to hit the target with one round. At the opposite end of this is the US military sniper that uses a single shot .50 caliber rifle and is trained to hit the target with one shot. People that need more than one round should spend a lot more time at the range.

It is true that not having a military based semiautomatic rifle did not prevent anyone from committing mass murder but it certainly did prevent them from killing as many people in as short a period of time. Once again this is about reducing the death toll and not preventing the crime completely.


Those that don't obey the law should lose their right to possess firearms because they're criminals.

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"I always had a rule, if the White House is dirty on the inside, it's dirty on the outside." ShivaTD

Based upon the corruption, brutality, inhumanity, immorality, dishonesty, and incompetence of the Trump administration the White House is the dirtiest house in America and there's no known cleanser that with remove the stains of the Trump Administration.

I am convinced that I am reading the words of some anti-gun liberal, and that is putting it mildly. You do what you want with your life. Leave the law-abiding people alone, though.

Five bullets my ass.

You also swerve in your Gun Free zone analysis. I don't see what is the difference between the property rights of some anti-gun person and the government prohibiting firearms. Both leave the innocent defenseless.

And then again, with your "reducing the number of victims" blather. So, where did you get the idea that some psycho shooter is going to say to himself,

"Golly! The law prevents me from getting my hands on some good people shooting firepower! Woe is me!"

Lastly, I blame myself for taking the time to read your silly amateurish postings. I do the same thing myself, but I don't try to bullshlt anyone.

Hold on. I forgot this gem:

"Those that don't obey the law should lose their right to possess firearms because they're criminals."

Criminals do not obey the law, so some stupid feel good law against firearms will not deter one, nor will it make it more difficult for him to kill people.

Nice red herring.

Shiva, your idea is to pass laws restricting legal owners and possessors who are not violating any law in the off chance that the laws might, might, stop a murder. That's typical of all proposed anti gun laws. Legal owners and possessors are not the problem. People already acting illegally are the problem.

Don't kid yourself about armed citizens being untrained. Some are, most aren't. That applies to LEO and in many cases the military. LEO qualification in many places consists of one magazine fired per year, sometimes less. While in the military after basic training I was issued an M1 carbine and a 1911 pistol. Not once in my 3 years did I fire either. And I was a small arms analyst. That's typical of most military support personnel.

Mass shooters are a problem, but they are not the problem. Out of 20,000 non suicide, non domestic shootings/year less than a hundred are mass shootings. Pick any two of the top 10 most violent cities, you'll get that count in a month.

And that's shootings. People mass kill in far greater numbers using and more often using other than firearms. Aircraft, automobiles, down to fists.

If we as a nation want to get a handle on violent death, we must first address the real issue which is people killing people. Not guns, particularly legally owned guns, killing people.

Holding a permit does not require the government knowing what firearms you may or may not own.

None. Zip. Zilch. Nil.

Next, if you think you have no need to be concerned what the government, federal or otherwise, is doing with personal information, you only need to look as far as what happened with data at a number of entities, and decide: what does the government need that information for? Look what they've done with the innocuous 23 and Me DNA database.... was that disclosed prior to submitting DNA? No, that vague wonderful statement of 'and other authorized entities.' Check you Hippa statements, privacy policies, etc.... your information is at the tips of the governments fingers..... and for what reason?

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Gun registration is the first towards Gun confiscation. The Government has no business knowing about any of my firearms, and it will stay that way.

If you want to know how Gun Registration works, ask the people of 1930's Germany.

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The government doesn't notify me. Not about my drivers license, my passport, or my Conceal permit.

In Va the state issues the CC permit, so I'm sure the state keeps records. BGC's for purchases are kept at the dealer for 5 years then destroyed. At this point I have no registered weapons. I intend t keep it that way.