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Old 05-28-2019, 07:43 AM
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Default Kamala Harris vows to take executive action on guns if elected president

Democrat Senator Kamala Harris is running for President so she has to stake her claim as not only the most anti second amendment candidate but anti Constitution as well.

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Upon being elected, I will give the United States Congress 100 days to get their act together and have the courage to pass reasonable gun safety laws and if they fail to do it, then I will take executive action and specifically what I would do is put in a requirement for anyone who sells more than five guns a year, they are required to do background checks when they sell those guns," she said Monday. "I will require for any gun dealer that breaks the law, the ATF take their license."
That's right, the President Harris administration would declare any "failure" of Congress to pass desired legislation as "not getting their act together" meaning the President was empowered to legislate using executive decrees echoing Obama's reign of pen and phone. As we have seen from Federal judges blocking the Trump administration's attempts to end DACA programs created by Presidential decree can survive changes to the Presidency if they have the right pedigree.

The Harris promise to violate the Constitution with imperial decrees overlooks the onerous restrictions needed to implement it. The requirement for background checks for anyone selling more than 5 guns per year can only be enforced by requiring every gun sale to be reported to the Federal government otherwise there is no way to effectively monitor individuals for the 5 gun limit. If a President can arbitrarily decree mandatory background checks for sales of 5 guns per year, there is nothing stopping a President from setting the limit at 3 per year or even 1.

Oh, those background checks aren't free in the new anti second amendment regime. Got an extra $1,000 to add to the cost of buying a gun? No, well too bad. Currently background check requests get an immediate response of yes, no or hold. After 3 days on hold if no response is received the sale is approved. An administrative change lifting the 3 day limit or changing the default to denied is all that is needed to turn the second amendment into an ornament.

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Default Re: Kamala Harris vows to take executive action on guns if elected president

Impeding, is still infringing.

It is also discrimination, and I wonder about the overall legality.

Not that I am too concerned with Harris, I highly doubt she would pass the first hurdle...
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Kamala, blow it out your ass, and enjoy your ride in the Democrat clown car in the meantime.
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If hell freezes over and she wins then hopefully the republicans and whatever 2nd amendment advocates there are in the democrat party tell her to go **** herself. Because to anti-2nd amendment trash reasonable gun control usually mean bans on semiautomatic firearms,bans on 10 to 30 round standard capacity magazines and other anti-2nd amendment laws.
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Not to worry folks. Kamal has yet to keep any of her campaign promises made to get elected. She won't keep this one either.

First, whilst it might engender her to her base, it will not help her win the general election.

Second she would meet 20 times the judicial response Trump has seen for attempts to keep his promises via executive orders.

Third, The Senate will remain in GOP hands in 2020. Even if the Dems keep the house, she cannot get the legislation done.

Lastly, the SCOTUS doesn't lean left but is sure hasn't lurched to the right. The pesky Constitution will get in her way.
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Not to worry folks. Kamal has yet to keep any of her campaign promises made to get elected. She won't keep this one either.

First, whilst it might engender her to her base, it will not help her win the general election.

Second she would meet 20 times the judicial response Trump has seen for attempts to keep his promises via executive orders.

Third, The Senate will remain in GOP hands in 2020. Even if the Dems keep the house, she cannot get the legislation done.

Lastly, the SCOTUS doesn't lean left but is sure hasn't lurched to the right. The pesky Constitution will get in her way.
I'm surprised she didn't say she would abolish the constitution. I'm sure her base would love that.
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I'm surprised she didn't say she would abolish the constitution. I'm sure her base would love that.
News flash. Abandonment of the Constitution is where the left wants to go.
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Upon being elected, I will give the United States Congress 100 days to get their act together and have the courage to pass reasonable gun safety laws and if they fail to do it, then I will take executive action and specifically what I would do is put in a requirement for anyone who sells more than five guns a year, they are required to do background checks when they sell those guns," she said Monday. "I will require for any gun dealer that breaks the law, the ATF take their license."
Her proposal is not an infringement upon the Second Amendment.

All she's basically stating is that any person that sells more than five firearms per year is a gun dealer and requires an FFL license. She would create a regulation under existing law that establishes this threshold for requiring an FFL license. There's nothing irrational or objectionable about having a threshold where a person is no longer just involved in private sales/transfers and when they become a dealer in firearms.

FFL's run background checks for free using the FBI NICS database. No costs are involved.

Background checks are not an infringement upon the Second Amendment. I believe that 90% of Americans agree that background checks should be required for all firearm transfers.

I've long advocated that the FBI NICS database be opened up to free public access instead of limiting access to FFL's. I wouldn't mandate background checks but if a person sold/transferred a firearm without a background check and a crime was committed with the firearm the person would be held criminally liable as an accessory to the crime.
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Her proposal is not an infringement upon the Second Amendment.

All she's basically stating is that any person that sells more than five firearms per year is a gun dealer and requires an FFL license. She would create a regulation under existing law that establishes this threshold for requiring an FFL license. There's nothing irrational or objectionable about having a threshold where a person is no longer just involved in private sales/transfers and when they become a dealer in firearms.

FFL's run background checks for free using the FBI NICS database. No costs are involved.

Background checks are not an infringement upon the Second Amendment. I believe that 90% of Americans agree that background checks should be required for all firearm transfers.

I've long advocated that the FBI NICS database be opened up to free public access instead of limiting access to FFL's. I wouldn't mandate background checks but if a person sold/transferred a firearm without a background check and a crime was committed with the firearm the person would be held criminally liable as an accessory to the crime.
There already are definitions of what constitutes a firearms dealer requiring an FFL. The license requires extensive record keeping and is subject to ATF at will audits. If the President can arbitrarily impose a 5 gun per year threshold for requiring an FFL there is nothing stopping them from declaring the limit as 1 per year.

Of course there is no mention of how Federal bureaucrats will determine the number of guns sold by an individual per year. Inevitably monitoring compliance would require firearms registration and enable Federal officials to inspect firearms collections without a warrant.

Background checks currently are mostly part of a licensed dealer selling a firearm. The state of California requires a background check when any firearm changes hands. That is not free. Harris would require adopting the California scheme nationwide producing a massive increase in volume. This would prompt imposition of fees and delays in completion of the background checks.
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Her proposal is not an infringement upon the Second Amendment.

All she's basically stating is that any person that sells more than five firearms per year is a gun dealer and requires an FFL license. She would create a regulation under existing law that establishes this threshold for requiring an FFL license. There's nothing irrational or objectionable about having a threshold where a person is no longer just involved in private sales/transfers and when they become a dealer in firearms.

FFL's run background checks for free using the FBI NICS database. No costs are involved.

Background checks are not an infringement upon the Second Amendment. I believe that 90% of Americans agree that background checks should be required for all firearm transfers.

I've long advocated that the FBI NICS database be opened up to free public access instead of limiting access to FFL's. I wouldn't mandate background checks but if a person sold/transferred a firearm without a background check and a crime was committed with the firearm the person would be held criminally liable as an accessory to the crime.
Re the above post--

Every damned time, some "pro-gun, but..." person has to post shlt defending an anti-gun ass hole's reasoning for infringing upon the Second Amendment, with the disclaimer that what the idiot is stating is not an infringement, and people are supposed to take that crap seriously?

And the poster believes that 90 percent of Americans are for background checks. As soon as I read the part in another post where the poster thinks five builets are enough to stop a home intrusion, I placed that tidbit in the manure processor, and out came more manure.

Now I know that the manure processor is not the place to shove the above post into. There is a better place. That's all I will say about it.

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