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Old 01-10-2019, 09:41 AM
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A little fun fact. The AR 15 has never been in a military setting. That would be the AR 16. AR 15 was sold to civilians 5 or 6 years before the AR 16 ever was issued to a military unit.
Fun fact clarification. The M-16 is not a modified AR-15. The AR-15/M-16 was a concurrent design effort although the AR-15 went into full production first while the military was still testing the M-16.

The early M-16 did have some problems. It would jam if it was dirty and the initial high rate of fire was faster than the mechanism could eject the used shell casings also causing it to jam.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:05 AM
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As usual, Shiva, you're making statements that cannot be supported by facts, so I won't bother to ask you to support your statements. They won't be prosecuted because they are violating no law. So, by definition they are not unprosecuted criminals.
They are committing mopery. Mopery, by the way, is something like exposing yourself to a blind person.
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Fun fact clarification. The M-16 is not a modified AR-15. The AR-15/M-16 was a concurrent design effort although the AR-15 went into full production first while the military was still testing the M-16.

The early M-16 did have some problems. It would jam if it was dirty and the initial high rate of fire was faster than the mechanism could eject the used shell casings also causing it to jam.
I didn't say the 16 is a modified 15, although it is. At least not I. It is the banners who claim the 15 is a military weapon.

Colt bought the AR 15 rights after the army rejected it and marketed it as a civilian weapon. The 16 is a selective fire 20 round military version. There's nothing concurrent about the development of the weapons.

We're way out in left field regarding the Armalites and the junk gun buyback programs, so I'm out.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:02 AM
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The M-16 military rifle has a semi-automatic selector mode that soldiers are instructed to use in all but a few combat situation and in the semi-automatic the AR-15 is functionally identical to an M-16 in it's semi-automatic mode.

The AR-15 is a very effective firearm for virtually all combat situations and is as much of a combat weapon as the M-16.
Most if not all semiautomatic firearms are identical to select fire automatic/burst weapons when used in semi-mode. It still does not change the fact that the AR-15 and other semiautomatic firearms are not weapons of war.

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At the same time the AR-15 is typically inferior in all civilian applications when compared to other firearms in the market. It's not a good close range home defense weapon because it's designed for applications measured in dozens to hundreds of yards.
An AR-15 can be used at close range. So it is good for home defense.

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It's not as good as a hunting rifle when compared to traditional hunting rifles with a scope. It has more ammunition capacity than required for marksmanship competitions there five rounds magazines are the norm for rifles.
Its good for small game when using .223 rounds. The AR platform as comes in larger caliber sizes so it can be and is used for larger game as well.



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Outside of a combat situation I can't think of any situation where the AR-15 is superior to other traditional rifles.
Sure that is what all anti-2nd amendment trash say about semiautomatic firearms.
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I notice how anti-gun weenies are the most educated people regarding firearms, in any forum. Professional prune chewers are all I see.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:13 AM
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So basically we have people that lack any integrity that have figured out how to scam a program with a legitimate purpose of removing unwanted firearms from circulation where they won't be prosecuted for stealing the funds.

Guess what. Just because a person can't be prosecuted for theft doesn't mean they're not a thief.

I find individuals like those mentions that are scamming the program to be the scum of society because they really are. They're unprosecuted criminals that lack any integrity or values in their lives. They'd steal candy from a baby if they knew they could get away with it.
It was a gun buy program that bought firearms no questions asked. The guy sold them some improvised firearms. So the program was not scammed.i
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At the same time the AR-15 is typically inferior in all civilian applications when compared to other firearms in the market. It's not a good close range home defense weapon because it's designed for applications measured in dozens to hundreds of yards. It's not as good as a hunting rifle when compared to traditional hunting rifles with a scope. It has more ammunition capacity than required for marksmanship competitions there five rounds magazines are the norm for rifles. Outside of a combat situation I can't think of any situation where the AR-15 is superior to other traditional rifles.
Wrong on all counts; just more bluster and bullshyt.

Topped with a big bore pistol caliber upper and a good optical sight, like say an EOTECH, it makes a damn fine close range defensive weapon.

I have met several truckloads of whitetails that, if they had survived the encounter, would testify to its effectiveness as a hunting rifle, when topped with a suitable rifle caliber upper, of which there are many excellent caliber variants, and a good quality scope.

And with one of those scoped rifle uppers in 6.5 grendel, we can roll 8x8x8 inch cubes of wood, around the pasture, at 500-600 yds, all afternoon, if the wind is not so bad. And 5 round mags are readily available if the situation requires it.

And lastly if one actually needs, to lay down a high volume of sustained, lethal, accurate fire; well that is where it really shines.

I can't think of a more flexible, capable or economically attractive weapons system.
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I notice how anti-gun weenies are the most educated people regarding firearms, in any forum. Professional prune chewers are all I see.
While I agree that a lot of anti-gun weenies are uneducated when it comes to firearms. However there are many anti-2nd amendment trash in office, the media and even some on political forums who have been educated on firearms but still choose to spew lies and deception. They spew the lie that a semiautomatic firearms made for the civilian market are somehow military weapons. They spew lies that 10 to 30 round standard capacity magazines are high capacity magazines. They spew lies that the NRA is a firearms manufacture lobbyists. They throw in the number of suicides that used a firearm to the number of homicides to make it seem as though 30 thousand plus people are dying due to criminals. They make it seem as though mass school shootings occur all the time when they don't. They ignore every story of someone using a firearm to save lives while turning mass murderers who use a firearm into instant celebs. They tell 2nd amendment advocates that you are paranoid and that they aren't coming for your guns and don't want to ban guns . While at the same time proposing bans on semiautomatic firearms and praising the draconian gun control laws of the UK and Australia and whining how we don't have gun control laws like those countries. And then they try to to tell you that those things are reasonable restrictions on the 2nd amendment when then whole entire point of that amendment is so that citizens can have their own weapons should they need to form a militia in case there is an invasion, in case the government ever turns on the people or some other thing that threatens the security of a free state. So they gun control laws they propose amounts to a burglars telling a homeowner they can't have a guard dog, security alarm on their house, or decent locks on their doors and windows.
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While I agree that a lot of anti-gun weenies are uneducated when it comes to firearms. However there are many anti-2nd amendment trash in office, the media and even some on political forums who have been educated on firearms but still choose to spew lies and deception. They spew the lie that a semiautomatic firearms made for the civilian market are somehow military weapons. They spew lies that 10 to 30 round standard capacity magazines are high capacity magazines. They spew lies that the NRA is a firearms manufacture lobbyists. They throw in the number of suicides that used a firearm to the number of homicides to make it seem as though 30 thousand plus people are dying due to criminals. They make it seem as though mass school shootings occur all the time when they don't. They ignore every story of someone using a firearm to save lives while turning mass murderers who use a firearm into instant celebs. They tell 2nd amendment advocates that you are paranoid and that they aren't coming for your guns and don't want to ban guns . While at the same time proposing bans on semiautomatic firearms and praising the draconian gun control laws of the UK and Australia and whining how we don't have gun control laws like those countries. And then they try to to tell you that those things are reasonable restrictions on the 2nd amendment when then whole entire point of that amendment is so that citizens can have their own weapons should they need to form a militia in case there is an invasion, in case the government ever turns on the people or some other thing that threatens the security of a free state. So they gun control laws they propose amounts to a burglars telling a homeowner they can't have a guard dog, security alarm on their house, or decent locks on their doors and windows.
Those "professional" types are the finest anti-gun advocates that money can buy.

A society that is unarmed is easy to control.
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The M-16 military rifle has a semi-automatic selector mode that soldiers are instructed to use in all but a few combat situation and in the semi-automatic the AR-15 is functionally identical to an M-16 in it's semi-automatic mode.

The AR-15 is a very effective firearm for virtually all combat situations and is as much of a combat weapon as the M-16.

At the same time the AR-15 is typically inferior in all civilian applications when compared to other firearms in the market. It's not a good close range home defense weapon because it's designed for applications measured in dozens to hundreds of yards. It's not as good as a hunting rifle when compared to traditional hunting rifles with a scope. It has more ammunition capacity than required for marksmanship competitions there five rounds magazines are the norm for rifles. Outside of a combat situation I can't think of any situation where the AR-15 is superior to other traditional rifles.
2 points.

First, it doesn't matter if an AR 15 is or is not superior to traditional rifles for any situation. The 2nd Amendment isn't qualified with that requirement. If it were, there would only be a small handful of guns made.

Second, even if it is only qualified for combat situations, so what? Do you understand why the founders wrote the 2nd Amendment? I doubt it because if you did, you would know that this is exactly what the 2A was written for.
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