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Old 11-12-2018, 09:45 AM
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I wish you would quit broad brushing people. Though there's no party for me right now I don't put down ALL Republicans or even say ALL trump voters are ignoramuses. I think some of them are following a cult and others don't pay attention except to the big lead headlines.

Free speech is regulated. Assembly and practice of your religion are regulated. None of these is open completely no-matter-what to an individual's interpretation.
The second amendment likewise.
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Ye gods, talk about braodbrushing. Your statement of 'I don't put down ALL Republicans or even say ALL trump voters are ignoramuses. I think some of them are following a cult and others don't pay attention except to the big lead headlines. '. Lets see, in 6 words or less: 'You're not ignoramuses, you're all STOOPID'. Yep, no broad brush in that.

Please read the 2nd Amendment one more time. There is are little words in there, that you may not find in other places. the words 'shall not be infringed'.

Kinda changes things a wee bit.
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Please read the 2nd Amendment one more time. There is are little words in there, that you may not find in other places. the words 'shall not be infringed'.

Kinda changes things a wee bit.
I have noticed that telling anti-gun people that the words, "shall not be infringed", appear in the Second Amendment, is like telling them that it is okay to form their own opinion of what it means. There is absolutely no sign of intelligence in any answer they have spouted off.
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I wish you would quit broad brushing people. Though there's no party for me right now I don't put down ALL Republicans or even say ALL trump voters are ignoramuses.
The first paragraph and SCOTUS quote was rebutting your statement that I quoted.

The second paragraph was speaking to the topic of the thread and the wider actions of yes, DEMOCRATS, as stated in the OP. I did make reference to your yin/yang post, where you see the years of inaction writing gun control as yin, I see it as a frustrating case of blue-balls where they need to do something even if it is just spanking an easy one out in the corner all by themselves. There will be no "yang" because they are not going to be able to finish with a partner -- there will be no Senate ratification, no Presidential affirmation or signature on anything they do.

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Free speech is regulated. Assembly and practice of your religion are regulated. None of these is open completely no-matter-what to an individual's interpretation.
The second amendment likewise.
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You really don't understand any of this at any level.

Yes, speech is 'regulated' as is assembly and religion, but the question is, how?

Describe one 'regulation' of the exercise of assembly, religion or speech that directly inhibits the exercise of the core right by the citizenry at large. That slander and libel and inciteful utterances or actual riot or human /animal sacrifice have legal consequences does not harm your ability to read, write and worship.

Those actions have legal consequences because they harm other's rights thus they can not be considered a legitimate exercise of the right. Laws that criminalize the brandishing of a gun or threatening someone with it or shooting at someone without justification or actually shooting them without cause are on par with ANY examples you could offer for speech and press and assembly or religious exercise.

None of your examples directly inhibit the regular exercise of the right. Laws against libel or slander do not prohibit the possession and use of paper and pen or computer and printer.

OTOH, gun control says to everyone, YOU CAN NOT OWN or YOU CAN NOT CARRY etc, issuing blanket prohibitions on what otherwise would be protected action -- to the point of ignoring the express protection of the 2nd Amendment, "keep and bear arms" -- without any immediate threat to the safety of other people or the security of their rights.

How can the simple act of keeping and bearing arms be an action that is deemed an illegitimate use of the right? That is after all precisely what you are saying; that regular citizens shall be forbidden to own certain arms or to carry them because such actions -- while not inherently dangerous or harmful -- are a threat to the peace and security of society and must be prohibited.

What an absurd and ridiculous premise!

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The first paragraph and SCOTUS quote was rebutting your statement that I quoted.

The second paragraph was speaking to the topic of the thread and the wider actions of yes, DEMOCRATS, as stated in the OP. I did make reference to your yin/yang post, where you see the years of inaction writing gun control as yin, I see it as a frustrating case of blue-balls where they need to do something even if it is just spanking an easy one out in the corner all by themselves. There will be no "yang" because they are not going to be able to finish with a partner -- there will be no Senate ratification, no Presidential affirmation or signature on anything they do.



You really don't understand any of this at any level.

Yes, speech is 'regulated' as is assembly and religion, but the question is, how?

Describe one 'regulation' of the exercise of assembly, religion or speech that directly inhibits the exercise of the core right by the citizenry at large. That slander and libel and inciteful utterances or actual riot or human /animal sacrifice have legal consequences does not harm your ability to read, write and worship.

Those actions have legal consequences because they harm other's rights thus they can not be considered a legitimate exercise of the right. Laws that criminalize the brandishing of a gun or threatening someone with it or shooting at someone without justification or actually shooting them without cause are on par with ANY examples you could offer for speech and press and assembly or religious exercise.

None of your examples directly inhibit the regular exercise of the right. Laws against libel or slander do not prohibit the possession and use of paper and pen or computer and printer.

OTOH, gun control says to everyone, YOU CAN NOT OWN or YOU CAN NOT CARRY etc, issuing blanket prohibitions on what otherwise would be protected action -- to the point of ignoring the express protection of the 2nd Amendment, "keep and bear arms" -- without any immediate threat to the safety of other people or the security of their rights.

How can the simple act of keeping and bearing arms be an action that is deemed an illegitimate use of the right? That is after all precisely what you are saying; that regular citizens shall be forbidden to own certain arms or to carry them because such actions -- while not inherently dangerous or harmful -- are a threat to the peace and security of society and must be prohibited.

What an absurd and ridiculous premise!

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You should be receiving a response from Salty pretty soon admonishing you for being mean by calling her premise absurd and ridiculous.
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When I hear "aggressive gun control" I wasn't really expecting a US Congressman suggesting that citizens who ignore gun bans and resist gun confiscation should fear being nuked by the US government . . . And yet, here we are.

One thing Democrats / liberals can always be counted on . . . genocide when things don't go their way.


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Ye gods, talk about braodbrushing. Your statement of 'I don't put down ALL Republicans or even say ALL trump voters are ignoramuses. I think some of them are following a cult and others don't pay attention except to the big lead headlines. '. Lets see, in 6 words or less: 'You're not ignoramuses, you're all STOOPID'. Yep, no broad brush in that.

Please read the 2nd Amendment one more time. There is are little words in there, that you may not find in other places. the words 'shall not be infringed'.

Kinda changes things a wee bit.
doesn't mean you can take a Tommy gun to town to mow em down.
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When I hear "aggressive gun control" I wasn't really expecting a US Congressman suggesting that citizens who ignore gun bans and resist gun confiscation should fear being nuked by the US government . . . And yet, here we are.

One thing Democrats / liberals can always be counted on . . . genocide when things don't go their way.


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/...on-gun-debate/
and is your ak47 ar15 or even a tank going to be adequately defensive against our military which controls those nukes?
Your best bet is to elect representatives who are not so gung-ho and a president who is not an ass hole
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and is your ak47 ar15 or even a tank going to be adequately defensive against our military which controls those nukes?
More evidence you just don't comprehend the concepts at work here.

Even worse, your gloming on to Swalwell's statement shows it is true what we on the right have always feared about the left . . . That the option for going full authoritarian and genocidal is never completely off the table.

All the more reason to refuse to negotiate rights and to never accept any "compromise" the left offers.
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At the federal sure nothings being done. The state level is a different story.Anti-2nd amendment states have been enacting lots of gun control to a point that firearm ownership is practically a state granted privilege in those states instead of a Constitutional right.

Feinstein, Pelosi, Waters, Schumer and other left wingers who represent deep blue districts can scream for all the gun control they want because they represent Left wing loons in deep blue districts and therefore have no fear of losing their offices. However politicians in purple and red states don't want a repeat of 1994 where dems lost control of the house(dems controlled the house for nearly 40 years straight) and senate just 8 weeks after the Brady Bill being signed into law.
dems controlled the house and the presidency more or less from Roosevelt through carter. I don't remember a mass shooting a week plus the economy was great and ever family probably owned a gun.
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dems controlled the house and the presidency more or less from Roosevelt through carter. I don't remember a mass shooting a week plus the economy was great and ever family probably owned a gun.
Yet during that time you can walk into any gun store and not only buy a semiautomatic firearm but you could buy a brand new automatic firearm as well. At least since the mid to late 1960s the semiautomatic AR15 rifles have been available to the public to purchase and own. It isn't the guns thats causing the high profile mass shootings that "seem to happen every week" involving white victims that the media likes to make a huge deal out of. Many would argue its the media turning these mass murderers into instant celebs.
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