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Old 09-07-2018, 06:04 AM
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Hoggy showin' his ignorance again.

How come it's the dumbest peeps that have the most to say 'bout guns?

David Hogg makes a bizarre claim about AR-15s, and gets slapped down over it

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“The effective range of an AR-15 is 1600 feet for comparison your typical handgun is 75 feet if you’re shooting somebody from 1600 feet away you’re not defending yourself…,” he tweeted, “…you’re hunting.”

“Make the 2004 Massachusetts assault weapons ban federal law,” he added.
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“People most certainly do use the AR-15 to defend themselves and others,” responded Stephen Gutowksi of the Free Beacon, and provided examples.

One was from Oswego, near Chicago, where a man stopped a knife attack by threatening the attacker with his AR-15.

“He was a half a breath away from getting his head blown off and he knew that,” Dave Thomas said. “That’s why he put the knife down.”

In another story, two students in New York City frightened away armed intruders with their own AR-15. “I’m happy he saved my life. I was very thankful he had his (gun),” said one of his gun-owning roommate.

In another incident, an armed burglar was shot and killed by the resident of an apartment with an AR-15.

“You have a man who defended himself inside his home, as the law would generally permit, and exercised extreme restraint by firing only one shot in shooting someone who was unlawfully in his home,” said a local district attorney.

Gutowksi also posted a a gun owner’s story about self-defense with an AR-15 from YouTube:

Amy Swearer, a legal policy analyst for the Heritage Foundation, similarly shot down Hogg’s argument.

“First things first, hunting is a lawful activity,” she tweeted. “And if the Second Amendment protection is dependent upon range and stopping power (it isn’t), then almost every single hunting rifle must be similarly banned – even bolt actions – for being more accurate and more powerful.”

“Handguns are more difficult for smaller, less experienced shooters to use effectively past about 6 or 7 yards, and also have significantly less stopping power,” she added. “Why would I want to be closer to a threat with a less effective means of eliminating that threat?”

Hogg did not address any of the arguments from gun rights defenders against his claim.

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I thought his 15 mins had expired. Oh well, I guess he has the right to continue to make a fool of himself.
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I thought his 15 mins had expired. Oh well, I guess he has the right to continue to make a fool of himself.
They have expired, along with his arguments. This perpetual idjet actually thinks he can run for President some day on the platform of defeating the 2nd amendment.

Does the phrase "fat chance" not come to mind?

OK then how about "NO, Hell NO!"?
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I was trying to think of a word that describes what I think about this Hogg kid. The best I was able to come up with is, "smarmy", yeah that's the word.

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the gun addicts are just like girls who think they have a right to an abortion for any reason. no they don't. and no you don't need an ar15.
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the gun addicts are just like girls who think they have a right to an abortion for any reason. no they don't.
Until the supreme court rules otherwise you do have a right to elective abortion. That means you can get an abortion for any reason. I say this as someone who thinks elective abortion should be outlawed and treated as murder, which thanks to activist judges it will require an amendment to ban. So I am not some abortionist trying to defend abortion.

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and no you don't need an ar15.
Because of the 2nd amendment I don't need to justify why I want an AR15. The 2nd amendment gives me that right to get one and own it. The right to keep and bears was created so that average citizens can defend themselves against invasions and a tyrannical government. It wasn't created so that you can go hunting and shoot burglars and other criminals. If anything the 2nd amendment defends the right to own firearms that are weapons of war. Sure our military doesn't use AR15 rifles. But anti-2nd amendment trash falsely label them as weapons of war in order to try to get them banned.
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Because of the 2nd amendment I don't need to justify why I want an AR15. The 2nd amendment gives me that right to get one and own it. The right to keep and bears was created so that average citizens can defend themselves against invasions and a tyrannical government. It wasn't created so that you can go hunting and shoot burglars and other criminals. If anything the 2nd amendment defends the right to own firearms that are weapons of war. Sure our military doesn't use AR15 rifles. But anti-2nd amendment trash falsely label them as weapons of war in order to try to get them banned.
The 2nd Amendment only recognizes the pre-existence of the right and forbids the federal government from acting against it. The right is not given, granted, created or otherwise established by the 2nd Amendment.

Any statement that the right of the people is given or created by the 2nd Amendment is saying that the right is dependent upon the 2nd Amendment, this opens the right to being constrained and restricted by a statist interpretation of the words of the 2nd Amendment.

That was one of the reasons why the Federalists opposed adding a bill of rights -- that no matter how the provisions were worded, those determined to usurp would misconstruct the words, to invent a power to restrict the right.

The people do not possess the right because the 2nd Amendment is there; we possess the right because no power was ever granted to the government to allow it to have any interest in the personal arms of the private citizen.
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the gun addicts are just like girls who think they have a right to an abortion for any reason. no they don't. and no you don't need an ar15.
I really, really do not give two shlts about what you think I should need or not need. May you live forever.
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The 2nd Amendment only recognizes the pre-existence of the right and forbids the federal government from acting against it. The right is not given, granted, created or otherwise established by the 2nd Amendment.

Any statement that the right of the people is given or created by the 2nd Amendment is saying that the right is dependent upon the 2nd Amendment, this opens the right to being constrained and restricted by a statist interpretation of the words of the 2nd Amendment.

That was one of the reasons why the Federalists opposed adding a bill of rights -- that no matter how the provisions were worded, those determined to usurp would misconstruct the words, to invent a power to restrict the right.

The people do not possess the right because the 2nd Amendment is there; we possess the right because no power was ever granted to the government to allow it to have any interest in the personal arms of the private citizen.
I understand the sentiment. However many of our founders knew that people would say no that right doesn't exist when in came to keeping and bearing arms, freedom of speech,freedom of religion and so on. Heck even with our rights listed many on the left and right try to deny or circumvent those rights.
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Because of the 2nd amendment I don't need to justify why I want an AR15. ...
WRONG. You don't need to justify owning a GUN. Regulation of gun ownership is possible under the Constitution just as regulation of free speech is possible.
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