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Ya mean Obama, libs, and anti-gun nuts were using studies with political bias to push their propaganda? Shocked...shocked I tell you!

New research debunks ‘cherry-picked’ pro-gun control study the mainstream media routinely cite

One of the most prominent talking points gun control activists employ is their claim that mass public shootings don’t happen in other countries with the frequency that they do in the United States. The claim was often repeated during the Obama administration, and continues to be parroted by the mainstream media.

“The one thing we do know is that we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world,” former President Barack Obama claimed after the mass killing in San Bernardino in Dec. 2015.

But new research debunks the study gun control advocates often cite. The study, published by criminologist Adam Lankford, claims the U.S. accounted for 31 percent of all public mass shootings between 1966 and 2012 in the world despite having less than 5 percent of the world’s population.

What do the facts say?

John. R. Lott Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, released a comprehensive study last week debunking the myth that mass shootings are a uniquely American problem.


He discovered that, over a 15-year period from 1998-2012, the U.S. accounted for less than 3 percent of the world’s public mass shootings and less than 2 percent of public mass shooters.

“By our count, the US makes up less than 1.43% of the mass public shooters, 2.11% of their murders, and 2.88% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than other countries, they are also much less deadly on average,” the study found.


One of the biggest problems with Lankford’s study, the CPRC alleges, is that Lankford was never honest about that data he included in his study, massively skewing its results.

From the CPRC:

Lankford’s study reported that from 1966 to 2012, there were 90 public mass shooters in the United States and 202 in the rest of world. We find that Lankford’s data represent a gross undercount of foreign attacks. Our list contains 1,448 attacks and at least 3,081 shooters outside the United States over just the last 15 years of the period that Lankford examined. We find at least fifteen times more mass public shooters than Lankford in less than a third the number of years.

Even when we use coding choices that are most charitable to Lankford, his 31 percent estimate of the US’s share of world mass public shooters is cut by over 95 percent.

Indeed, Lott wrote in the New York Post: “The whole episode should provide a cautionary tale of academic malpractice and how evidence is often cherry-picked and not questioned when it fits preconceived ideas.”

How did Lankford respond?

He told multiple news outlets: “I am not interested in giving any serious thought to John Lott or his claims.”

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What it boils down to is that anti-gun people have only one thing on their collective mind--the confiscation of all firearms, and eventually all weapons from the civilian population. There can be no gradual shift to socialism, communism, and finally, totalitarianism otherwise. Facts and figures calling their lies out mean nothing at all to them.
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but we do have the right to regulate.
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I have found that anti-2nd amendment trash tend to be extremely dishonest when it comes to pushing for gun control. They will tell you that semiautomatic firearms are really military weapons, weapons of war, military type weapons and try to ban them under the guise of an assault weapons ban. They will try to tell you that 10 to 30 round standard capacity magazines are really high capacity magazines and try to ban them under the guise of a high capacity magazine ban. They will tell you that the somehow a constitutional right to keep and bear arms can require a permit/license,waiting period and all sorts of other restrictions even though is says shall not be infringed at the end of it. They ignore the fact that the 2nd amendment was created so that average citizens can have the means to defend against foreign invasions and their own government if it ever became tyrannical(so the idea that same government can tell you what guns you can and can't own is laughable). These same people try to demonize 2nd amendment groups as being firearm manufacturer lobbyists. If these people could they would tell you that owning firearms makes you gay, but that would probably piss of a chunk of their supporters. These people tell you no one wants to take away your guns while praising the gun control laws in the UK,Australia and even Japan. So it doesn't surprise me that they would use fraudulent studies or cherry picked studies to support their cause. They don't care how they pass draconian gun control laws and firearm bans as long as it gets done.

We all laugh at the elected official in Colorado who was trying to tell people that magazines are one time use or that other politician who was trying ban barrel shrouds even though she had no ****ing clue what one is. But it's a means to an end for those people and they don't care how ridiculous the means may be.
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When the 2nd Amendment was written, the common civilian was as well armed as the common soldier. I don't have a problem keeping things that way.
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When the 2nd Amendment was written, the common civilian was as well armed as the common soldier. I don't have a problem keeping things that way.
And the 2nd Amendment was meant to keep it that way regardless of what the far left, anti 2nd Amendment crowd will tell you. The only way that the citizenry of this country can protect themselves from a tyrannical government backed by the military, is to arm themselves as well as the military when it comes to small arms.
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but we do have the right to regulate.
OK, I'll bite. What 'right' says that?
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So they are comparing the U.S. with the rest of the world why not compare the U.S. with ONE particular nation?

Even if those statistics are right maybe it means that in other nations there are as many (per capita) murders but they are just committed using other things. If someone knocks you dead with a rock you are still dead!
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OK, I'll bite. What 'right' says that?
The (latest I believe) Supreme court interpretation of the 2nd amendment
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The (latest I believe) Supreme court interpretation of the 2nd amendment
And that would be..... (hint: a link to verify your supposed claim would be in order)
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