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Old 07-12-2018, 08:24 AM
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Cody Wilson successfully shot a 3D-printed gun and then posted the blueprints online.
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Less than a week later, Wilson received a letter from the US State Department demanding that he take down his printable-gun blueprints or face prosecution for violating federal export controls. Under an obscure set of US regulations known as the International Trade in Arms Regulations (ITAR), Wilson was accused of exporting weapons without a license, just as if he'd shipped his plastic gun to Mexico rather than put a digital version of it on the internet.
He then took the plans offline, but still possibly faced charges, so he decided to fight it in court, and won!

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Two months ago, the Department of Justice quietly offered Wilson a settlement to end a lawsuit he and a group of co-plaintiffs have pursued since 2015 against the United States government. Wilson and his team of lawyers focused their legal argument on a free speech claim: They pointed out that by forbidding Wilson from posting his 3-D-printable data, the State Department was not only violating his right to bear arms but his right to freely share information. By blurring the line between a gun and a digital file, Wilson had also successfully blurred the lines between the Second Amendment and the First.

"If code is speech, the constitutional contradictions are evident," Wilson explained to WIRED when he first launched the lawsuit in 2015. "So what if this code is a gun?”

The Department of Justice's surprising settlement, confirmed in court documents earlier this month, essentially surrenders to that argument. It promises to change the export control rules surrounding any firearm below .50 caliber—with a few exceptions...

"I consider it a truly grand thing," Wilson says. "It will be an irrevocable part of political life that guns are downloadable, and we helped to do that."

Now Wilson is making up for lost time. Later this month, he and the nonprofit he founded, Defense Distributed, are relaunching their website Defcad.com as a repository of firearm blueprints they've been privately creating and collecting, from the original one-shot 3-D-printable pistol he fired in 2013 to AR-15 frames and more exotic DIY semi-automatic weapons.
Above are some excerpts, and you can read the entire article here: https://www.wired.com/story/a-landma...-for-diy-guns/

This is a real win for both the First and Second Amendments!
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This will put burrs on the gun weenies' asses.
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Here is the scoop on the gadget. Smart guy.
Good on him!

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This will put burrs on the gun weenies' asses.
Yeah, and now they are suing the federal government over it.

Of course when Obama green lighted the manufacturing of Bump Stocks that were used to kill 51 people and maim over 500 in Las Vegas. Democrats could care less.

BTW, Trump banned bump stocks.
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This is much ado about nothing. I worked 30 years as an engineer and a previous 10 years as a machinist. I could probably make a fire arm on a 3D printer or a CNC machining center if I so desired. The average person trying to make a gun on a 3D printer without any design or machining expertise would be like me trying to do brain surgery
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This is much ado about nothing. I worked 30 years as an engineer and a previous 10 years as a machinist. I could probably make a fire arm on a 3D printer or a CNC machining center if I so desired. The average person trying to make a gun on a 3D printer without any design or machining expertise would be like me trying to do brain surgery
Don't they make computer programs and machines that can easily be set up so that you don't have to be an expert? For example maybe something like this machine?
https://ghostgunner.net/products/ghost-gunner-2-deposit
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Cody Wilson successfully shot a 3D-printed gun and then posted the blueprints online.

He then took the plans offline, but still possibly faced charges, so he decided to fight it in court, and won!

Two months ago, the Department of Justice quietly offered Wilson a settlement to end a lawsuit he and a group of co-plaintiffs have pursued since 2015 against the United States government. Wilson and his team of lawyers focused their legal argument on a free speech claim: They pointed out that by forbidding Wilson from posting his 3-D-printable data, the State Department was not only violating his right to bear arms but his right to freely share information. By blurring the line between a gun and a digital file, Wilson had also successfully blurred the lines between the Second Amendment and the First.
"If code is speech, the constitutional contradictions are evident," Wilson explained to WIRED when he first launched the lawsuit in 2015. "So what if this code is a gun?”

The Department of Justice's surprising settlement, confirmed in court documents earlier this month, essentially surrenders to that argument. It promises to change the export control rules surrounding any firearm below .50 caliber—with a few exceptions...

"I consider it a truly grand thing," Wilson says. "It will be an irrevocable part of political life that guns are downloadable, and we helped to do that."

Now Wilson is making up for lost time. Later this month, he and the nonprofit he founded, Defense Distributed, are relaunching their website Defcad.com as a repository of firearm blueprints they've been privately creating and collecting, from the original one-shot 3-D-printable pistol he fired in 2013 to AR-15 frames and more exotic DIY semi-automatic weapons.

Above are some excerpts, and you can read the entire article here: https://www.wired.com/story/a-landma...-for-diy-guns/

This is a real win for both the First and Second Amendments!
I have spoken for year about the genius of the Bill of Rights in our Constitution. The lines between them have always been "blurred." None will stand if even one of them is compromised.
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Yeah, and now they are suing the federal government over it.

Of course when Obama green lighted the manufacturing of Bump Stocks that were used to kill 51 people and maim over 500 in Las Vegas. Democrats could care less.

BTW, Trump banned bump stocks.
the fact checkers are mixed on this

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/at...n-bump-stocks/

The NRA?s Position on Bump Fire Stocks was Genius - The Truth About Guns

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...d-bump-stocks/
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"Not because they liked it, but because the law did not permit them to prohibit it," Winkler said.

Other legal experts stressed that it wasn’t an approval, but rather a determination that current law didn’t allow for its regulation.
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I think this will create problems down the road.
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