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Old 05-15-2018, 06:43 PM
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The only "blow" to the NRA is that a promise was made to sign it and she reneged. Virtue signalling wins over principle but hey, if that's what you want to celebrate, be my guest.

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I don't remember reading in the 2nd Amendment anything about having to be trained and vetted to exercise your Constitutional right.
The federal 2nd Amendment really has nothing to do with this. The 2nd has never been held to impact the authority of states to regulate the manner of carry and I don't think it ever will. It could enforce a right to be armed for defense in a state with no RKBA provision and a discretionary permit to carry (e.g., NJ, CA, MD) but that's not the issue here, it is only the manner of carry being regulated.

For now, for this particular circumstance it is only a matter of state law operating under the Oklahoma state constitution and as far as the power of the state to regulate manner of carry, the state constitution is quite clear.

Art. II, § 26 states:
The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power, when thereunto legally summoned, shall never be prohibited; but nothing herein contained shall prevent the Legislature from regulating the carrying of weapons.
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Don't have time to look it up right now. I suspect the bill was to permit concealed carry without requiring a permit. Open carry is probably unaffected. Prove me wrong if I am.
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The Second Amendment should make permits to carry unnecessary. The Second Amendment should be all that is needed. Anything to the contrary is an infringement which is banned by the Second Amendment.
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Most everyone that has a gun will go out and shoot it. What type of training is she wanting? State authorized professional training? Or just proof that you know how to use it? HUUUUGE difference.

Do mass murderers get professional training? NO! but they are able to use guns very effectively.

Is this the new ban? First it was just banning the AR-15. But since the latest school shooting was with a shot gun and revolver the narrative is being re-evaluated. I knew singling out a particular type of weapon would backfire, but it happened quicker than I thought.
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Most everyone that has a gun will go out and shoot it. What type of training is she wanting? State authorized professional training? Or just proof that you know how to use it? HUUUUGE difference.

Do mass murderers get professional training? NO! but they are able to use guns very effectively.

Is this the new ban? First it was just banning the AR-15. But since the latest school shooting was with a shot gun and revolver the narrative is being re-evaluated. I knew singling out a particular type of weapon would backfire, but it happened quicker than I thought.
IMO, use of a firearm in a private setting, should not require proof of training.

However, if a firearm is being taken out into public , ie carry or public shooting range or event, proof of training should be required.

Not a popular opinion, I'm sure. But infringement aside, public safety with such things as driving a tractor trailer, or operating an airplane, all require training before doing so in public.
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IMO, use of a firearm in a private setting, should not require proof of training.

However, if a firearm is being taken out into public , ie carry or public shooting range or event, proof of training should be required.

Not a popular opinion, I'm sure. But infringement aside, public safety with such things as driving a tractor trailer, or operating an airplane, all require training before doing so in public.
Apples to oranges here.
Better comparison: You should be required to present proof of training before being allowed to write a letter to the editor. You should be required to present proof of training before being allowed to vote. You should present proof of training before exercising your 5th amendment rights.

Driving a truck, or flying a plane isn't a guaranteed constitutional right, but a privilege granted by the government. Much different from owning or carrying a firearm.
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IMO, use of a firearm in a private setting, should not require proof of training.

However, if a firearm is being taken out into public , ie carry or public shooting range or event, proof of training should be required.
People go to shooting ranges to train and have to go out in public to go to a shooting range.So isn't that like a catch 22?

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Not a popular opinion, I'm sure. But infringement aside, public safety with such things as driving a tractor trailer, or operating an airplane, all require training before doing so in public.
None of those are constitutionally protected rights. Those are privileged granted by the state. Meaning things you got to ask permission from the state to be able to do.
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Sanity in today's world is a rare thing. God bless Oklahoma and its governor and may they continue to thrive in their wisdom.
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