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Old 05-15-2018, 08:31 AM
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I'll be on the unpopular side of this, I'm sure.

While some view it as 'infringing', I view it as public safety.

Giving a gun to someone who has not been taught how to use it, is like handing the car keys to someone who hasn't been taught how to drive.

That being said, just as most high schools (at least they used to) made driver's ed a course for those who needed training before going for their permit, I feel the same should be a voluntary course in gun education.
Your opinion is always welcome and does not make you unpopular.

As to what you posted, for one, nobody is giving anybody a gun. The law was to allow those already owning a gun to carry the gun with them. The way I look at it, the criminals are already doing this in spite of a law saying they can't. The law has not stopped them. By allowing those of us that are law abiding to carry, it provides an added layer of protection that may not yet exist.

And I agree on allowing schools the option to teach firearms safety and education. Our schools should be in the business of preparing students for real life and personal protection is part of that.
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We should exercise the same caution when allowing people to vote.
Or use a cell phone.

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She made the right move.
Nope, it is probably an infringement. Although most should, you do not have to be trained to exercise your first amendment rights.

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While some view it as 'infringing', I view it as public safety.
Appreciate the sentiment but no. It is probably an infringement. Training people to use cell phones would save more lives. In 2013 505 people were killed by accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm. In 2016 there were 3450 people killed in distracted driving related auto crashes.

Don't mean to derail beating the cell phones so hard; but three times in last several weeks I have had oncoming vehicles with nearly half their vehicle on my side of the center stripe and closing quickly. All jacking with their damn phones.
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Old 05-15-2018, 09:19 AM
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Or use a cell phone.


Nope, it is probably an infringement. Although most should, you do not have to be trained to exercise your first amendment rights.



Appreciate the sentiment but no. It is probably an infringement. Training people to use cell phones would save more lives. In 2013 505 people were killed by accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm. In 2016 there were 3450 people killed in distracted driving related auto crashes.

Don't mean to derail beating the cell phones so hard; but three times in last several weeks I have had oncoming vehicles with nearly half their vehicle on my side of the center stripe and closing quickly. All jacking with their damn phones.
Sorry.
As a motorcycle rider it is getting more dangerous than it has ever been since cell phones have become more prevalent. I have been almost run off the rode numerous times by people playing with their phone while attempting to drive. (In my estimation, half of them people would have problems driving without being distracted, but that is another topic). I would LOVE to see laws passed that would make driving while playing on your cell phone punished similar to drinking and driving.

But back to the topic, I don't believe that allowing law abiding citizens to carry a legally owned firearm is a danger to society. Sure, there are some idiots out there but they are most likely the ones to ignore laws to begin with and would most likely shoot themselves as anyone else. Laws preventing you and I from carrying a gun isn't going to do anything to help them.
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I'll be on the unpopular side of this, I'm sure.

While some view it as 'infringing', I view it as public safety.

Giving a gun to someone who has not been taught how to use it, is like handing the car keys to someone who hasn't been taught how to drive.

That being said, just as most high schools (at least they used to) made driver's ed a course for those who needed training before going for their permit, I feel the same should be a voluntary course in gun education.
How many times do people have to be told that it is against the law to misuse a weapon? And all the training in the world is not going to make a dumbass a better handler of firearms. Look at Officer Lee Paige when he shot himself in the leg.

People are just giving in to the snowflake league. Acquire a firearm, and train yourself to use it to the best of your ability, or don't. To hell with what liberal weenies want first.
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Old 05-15-2018, 10:44 AM
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Your opinion is always welcome and does not make you unpopular.

As to what you posted, for one, nobody is giving anybody a gun. The law was to allow those already owning a gun to carry the gun with them. The way I look at it, the criminals are already doing this in spite of a law saying they can't. The law has not stopped them. By allowing those of us that are law abiding to carry, it provides an added layer of protection that may not yet exist.

And I agree on allowing schools the option to teach firearms safety and education. Our schools should be in the business of preparing students for real life and personal protection is part of that.
I appreciate the comment, and I've always been able to have a civil conversation with you. I'm not worried about the unpopular, I've been there many, many times.

It doesn't matter if they already owned the gun, that's not the point. It's them carrying it with out training. Chances of them using it increase if they are carrying it, but they aren't required to be taught HOW to use it.

That is my issue. One is allowed to own a car without having a Driver's license, one is allowed to own a gun with out a permit (in some states). But taking either one 'out of the garage' so to speak requires training for use in public.
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How many times do people have to be told that it is against the law to misuse a weapon? And all the training in the world is not going to make a dumbass a better handler of firearms. Look at Officer Lee Paige when he shot himself in the leg.

People are just giving in to the snowflake league. Acquire a firearm, and train yourself to use it to the best of your ability, or don't. To hell with what liberal weenies want first.


How many people did not know how to properly handle a firearm, but were shown by somebody who did? *my hand goes in the air*

A person could take a course, a dozen courses, be a grade A marksman, and STILL have an accident happen, and they'll be lucky if no one is hurt. Now that same statement can be applied to virtually everything that affects public safety.

Yes, an idiot may carry a firearm in public, and concealed, who is to know? But the chances of an untrained person versus a trained one if it comes down to the safety of others, which would you prefer be on the street?
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That is my issue. One is allowed to own a car without having a Driver's license, one is allowed to own a gun with out a permit (in some states). But taking either one 'out of the garage' so to speak requires training for use in public.
One is a privilege. One is an unalienable right. Of course proper use of either requires training, but that is not anybody's business,until he misuses it. The Brady Bunch strategy to keep the world 100 percent safe from booboos and mayhem is a fantasy only.
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Yes, an idiot may carry a firearm in public, and concealed, who is to know? But the chances of an untrained person versus a trained one if it comes down to the safety of others, which would you prefer be on the street?
I don't care which type is carrying. Again, it is already against the law to misuse a weapon. How about utilizing the justice system against the morons who misuse a car or weapon?
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One is a privilege. One is an unalienable right. Of course proper use of either requires training, but that is not anybody's business,until he misuses it. The Brady Bunch strategy to keep the world 100 percent safe from booboos and mayhem is a fantasy only.
Exactly where have I said anything about keeping the world 100% safe? No where, so keep the hyperbole for someone it may apply to.

There will always be people who break laws. Period. Those who would use a gun to harm others will always exist. Period. We can make all the laws we want to punish those who would break the laws, but those who will break the laws don't care if there is another law or not. Period.

Those that don't actively seek to break a law, will allow for moderate guidance on what they should or should not do, usually in the name of public safety.

Just so I make myself perfectly clear, why should there be age restrictions? After all, a 5 year old is a Citizen also. Why should there be mentally capable restrictions? A Downs Syndrome individual, or a Schizophrenic is a Citizen also.
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Exactly where have I said anything about keeping the world 100% safe? No where, so keep the hyperbole for someone it may apply to.
Exactly where did you miss the part about the Brady Bunch? Are you with those clowns or what? I will include whatever hyperbole I want.
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