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Blame the gun and ignore the warning signs, woot woot!

Florida school officials knew suspect before shooting – did they ignore warnings?

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A math teacher at Stoneman Douglas High school told the Miami Herald that they were told the former student had threatened other students and had been told he wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack. He said that the administration had sent an email out to teachers about Cruz.

“We were told last year that he wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack on him,” he said. “There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus.”
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A student interviewed on WSB-TV told reporters that students were joking that he would be the one to “shoot up the school.”

“A lot of people were saying that it was going to be him,” he said. “We actually joked around like that, saying that he would be the one to shoot up the school but it turns out you know, everyone predicted it. That’s crazy.”
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We have a student at the High School my daughter attends that seemed like the type of kid that could potentially turn suicidal and try to take some with him. He also made some social media posts that were somewhat disturbing. Instead of just waiting to see what happens, I contacted his parents, our church pastor (his parents attend the same church that we attend), the HS counselor, the HS principle and the HS resource officer (a sheriff deputy that is stationed in an office in our HS).

Needless to say, this kid got some attention immediately and has since been a model student. He will graduate this spring along with my youngest daughter and continue his education at a college that he has been accepted into.

But even though he appears to have turned his life and attitude around, the school resource officer is very aware of when he arrives and leaves school and is always on alert. I also believe that his parents have done a good job of ensuring that he doesn't have access to guns or any other weapons that my be used to injure others.
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It's a shame when so many believe the answer is removing the tool instead of diagnosing/treating the person using the tool...
Why was a kid with documented mental health issues even able to buy an assault rifle?
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I think the monkeys at the school who ignored the psycho's signals did not want to profile him as a bad kid.
“Had been in and out of mental health treatment… He was so frightening to teachers that he'd been banned from even carrying a backpack into school.”


Yet still able to legally purchase an AR-15....

Nikolas Cruz Legally Purchased AR-15 Despite Long History of Mental Illness, Warnings | Miami New Times
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“Had been in and out of mental health treatment… He was so frightening to teachers that he'd been banned from even carrying a backpack into school.”


Yet still able to legally purchase an AR-15....

Nikolas Cruz Legally Purchased AR-15 Despite Long History of Mental Illness, Warnings | Miami New Times
Perhaps if the FBI leadership was paying more attention to people like this, who have made threats that were reported to the FBI, and not wasting time on mythical Russian election hacker collusion conspiracy theories they could have prevented him from passing the background check.

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“Had been in and out of mental health treatment… He was so frightening to teachers that he'd been banned from even carrying a backpack into school.”


Yet still able to legally purchase an AR-15....
Yes. Those pocket AR-15s that you can fold up and put in your pocket are very sneaky.
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Perhaps if the FBI was paying more attention to people like this, who have made threats that were reported to the FBI, and not wasting time on mythical Russian election hacker collusion conspiracy theories they could have prevented him from passing the background check.

I looked up the Florida law

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Fla. Stat. Ann. § 790.065(2)(a)(4)

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A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer may not sell or deliver from her or his inventory at her or his licensed premises any firearm to another person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, until she or he has:

Has been adjudicated mentally defective or has been committed to a mental institution by a court or as provided in sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II), and as a result is prohibited by state or federal law from purchasing a firearm.

I don't think either of those things applied to the shooter. So it would be very unlikely that the boys mental health issues were reported to the NICS.
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Yes. Those pocket AR-15s that you can fold up and put in your pocket are very sneaky.
i don't know what this means.
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I looked up the Florida law

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I don't think either of those things applied to the shooter. So it would be very unlikely that the boys mental health issues were reported to the NICS.
Try to keep up here. He made threats that were reported to the FBI, Florida law has no bearing on that whatsoever.
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Try to keep up here. He made threats that were reported to the FBI, Florida law has no bearing on that whatsoever.
From what I understand by reading the news reports, the shooter had a youtube video that was reported to the FBI. However the shooters identity in the video was anonymous, and the FBI never identified him. Also I'd like to point out that the youtube video was reported 5 months ago, and according to his roommates, he had owned the weapon before moving in with them.

"Cruz’s adopted mother, Long Island native Lynda Cruz, died in November, and the family he stayed with afterwards said that he already owned his killing machine before he moved in with them."

Hed also been training with a white supremacist group for some time. So it seems likely that he already owned the gun before making the video.
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