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Old 03-08-2018, 10:25 PM
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What’s frustrating to me, is there is no good way for me to phrase any conversation about guns. If I say gun control, people say I want to ban guns. If I say common sense gun legislation, people say I want to ban guns.

Im almost certain that we would propably agree on almost all points as to how to legislate firearms better, but its like you guys see the words 'common sense’ or ‘sensible’ as an obfuscation rather than its actual intent, which would be to reassure people who think that all liberals want to take their guns.

It's not some sort of slippery slope. But it's getting really retarded when the POTUS is seriously talking about arming teachers like that's some great idea. What have we become as a nation when people seriously would rather arm teachers than just come togethor and come up with sensible ways to keep guns out of the hands of psychos.


I can agree we need to use common sense in relationship to fire arms..

Yet only after both sides come to an understanding. To which we accept as fact the second amendment does allow for gun ownership by citizens who can prove they are of sound body and mine..

Others might require more so lets talk about it if each has an open mind...

Remember first we need to drop this "I'm right and your wrong crap...
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Yes, you are absolutely right, I thought the same thing. I don't think it takes a Rambo, I think it takes someone that cares about others as much or more than themselves, and also someone that is not afraid of risk. To some people, no degree of risk is worth a possible mistake. Too bad there were no trigger happy Las Vegas cops at the school.

I don't know why anyone would be against teachers having CC permit, and carry in school if they want to. The difference between a gun free zone and a secure zone would make a huge difference. I like the saying " The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun" I don't think legislation or laws will stop a mad man, whether he has an AR-15 or a 9mm hand gun.

Lets say we ban all assault weapons, and raise the age to 21, Will that stop a mad man from walking into a school with two 9mm handguns and a bunch of clips? You know it won't. So then what? Well, we will need to ban handguns, right?
This was already displayed at the Parkland shooting. Not by a LEO, but by the teacher/FB coach that shielded other with his own body to save them. My point is and has been for quite some time that if that same individual had had a gun with him instead of only his body, there might have been far fewer casualties than there actually were.

This is not some far fetched idea as is demonstrated by this hero's own actions. When are people going to realize that it does not take a Rambo or any other extraordinary person to defend one's life or those of others? It simply takes the tools to be able to do that in the hands of someone willing to do it. We need to take the shackles off of them and allow them to do what this teacher did but with the proper tools.

I have advocated for years to have teachers in our local schools armed if they felt compelled to do so. We have a few teachers in our local school with CC licences and one that is a part time LEO, yet even he is not allowed to bring a firearm to school with him. As the President of our local Board of Education for a number of years, I brought this matter up a few times and could not get support from the other members of the board.
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What’s frustrating to me, is there is no good way for me to phrase any conversation about guns. If I say gun control, people say I want to ban guns. If I say common sense gun legislation, people say I want to ban guns.

Im almost certain that we would propably agree on almost all points as to how to legislate firearms better, but its like you guys see the words 'common sense’ or ‘sensible’ as an obfuscation rather than its actual intent, which would be to reassure people who think that all liberals want to take their guns.

It's not some sort of slippery slope. But it's getting really retarded when the POTUS is seriously talking about arming teachers like that's some great idea. What have we become as a nation when people seriously would rather arm teachers than just come togethor and come up with sensible ways to keep guns out of the hands of psychos.
You may very well have a point here. Yes, we need to be able to sit down and have the conversation. But you also need to understand that there have been a number of politicians that have utter the phrase "common sense gun laws" that have at other times advocated for gun bans or complete confiscation. Sen Feinstien easily comes to mind.

Perhaps if someone on the left is willing to have an honest conversation, I would be very interested to hear it. But they need to be able to acknowledge that the 2nd Amendment was not about hunting or simply home defense. Until they come to grips with the reality of the 2nd Amendment, there can be now honest conversation.
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Radio logs indicate cowardice of the deputies assigned to be armed and in the school to "Protect" the children.

https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/flor...dkt_nbr=9898-1


Meanwhile Mayor Deblasio has decided this morning, against any common sense and reason, to remove all armed police from New York City Schools. They are to be replaced by an unarmed "safety advisor." Who will do what???? .....apparently stand outside when the shooting starts and advise the incoming officers to hold back at 500 feet?

What is it with liberals and the safety of our children?
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What is it with liberals and the safety of our children?
It is not any children they are concerned for. They are concerned for the safety of their future master and dictator, who must rule with no fear of an armed rebellion that will topple his candy ass.

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What’s frustrating to me, is there is no good way for me to phrase any conversation about guns. If I say gun control, people say I want to ban guns. If I say common sense gun legislation, people say I want to ban guns.

Im almost certain that we would propably agree on almost all points as to how to legislate firearms better, but its like you guys see the words 'common sense’ or ‘sensible’ as an obfuscation rather than its actual intent, which would be to reassure people who think that all liberals want to take their guns.

It's not some sort of slippery slope. But it's getting really retarded when the POTUS is seriously talking about arming teachers like that's some great idea. What have we become as a nation when people seriously would rather arm teachers than just come togethor and come up with sensible ways to keep guns out of the hands of psychos.
Conversation is not possible when so-called common sense gun control advocates insist on reviving failed measures like the assault weapons ban and characterize anyone who disagrees as a tool of the NRA. After the systemic failure to protect the students and staff in Florida the idea of creating another line of defense by allowing teachers and staff to voluntarily carry weapons is dismissed as "retarded." That approach poisons the well for productive discussion.
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There will never be a productive discussion between anti-gunners and pro-gunners. The best outcome would be the anti-gunners eventually dying out.
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There will never be a productive discussion between anti-gunners and pro-gunners. The best outcome would be the anti-gunners eventually dying out.
Fact is, there should never be need for a "discussion." The contract between us all is written in plain English. It clearly states the right of the people to bear arms is non negotiable.

So why must we constantly "negotiate"

Instead of new laws which may or may not be enforced, depending on how much incremental loss of freedom and rights the people will stand. Meanwhile the Constitution MUST be defended as it is written.


A new set of seemingly harmless legislations is easy to slip past WE THE PEOPLE. Call for an amendment repeal and see how that goes. Then the weenies should shut the hell up.

They won't, but at the very least we can point to a modern agreement on the right to bear arms.
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I say the second amendment is placed in the Constitution as a reminder to the government goons that it is their only guarantee that differences among the people and them wil be settled in a lawful way. Too bad many see it as a law provided by a "benevolent" government.
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What’s frustrating to me, is there is no good way for me to phrase any conversation about guns. If I say gun control, people say I want to ban guns. If I say common sense gun legislation, people say I want to ban guns.

Im almost certain that we would propably agree on almost all points as to how to legislate firearms better, but its like you guys see the words 'common sense’ or ‘sensible’ as an obfuscation rather than its actual intent, which would be to reassure people who think that all liberals want to take their guns.

It's not some sort of slippery slope. But it's getting really retarded when the POTUS is seriously talking about arming teachers like that's some great idea. What have we become as a nation when people seriously would rather arm teachers than just come togethor and come up with sensible ways to keep guns out of the hands of psychos.
So sad to see your distress and so sorry to hear you feel that Americans just don't trust liberals to respect and honor our rights.

You are very perceptive.
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