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Old 12-19-2017, 04:50 PM
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Once again attempting to say I said something I didn't. If it were legal to grow marijuana in your yard it would keep nonviolent drug users out of jail. I didn't say we did not have a drug problem.
That's exactly what you said, I didn't say or imply differently. As you did.

It isn't legal any more than running a still is legal. And both eventually involve greed and subsequent violence. Your Nirvanas world does not exist compatibly with the nature of humans.

Now can we return to the subject at hand. Guns for food?

No buy back program has ever reduced gun violence in a neighbor hood. People are robbing and shooting for food. What then entices them to be armed and dangerous to law abiding citizens?

http://www.guns.com/2016/09/13/3037179/

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That's exactly what you said, I didn't say or imply differently. As you did.

It isn't legal any more than running a still is legal. And both eventually involve greed and subsequent violence. Your Nirvanas world does not exist compatibly with the nature of humans.

Now can we return to the subject at hand. Guns for food?

No buy back program has ever reduced gun violence in a neighbor hood. People are robbing and shooting for food. What then entices them to be armed and dangerous to law abiding citizens?

History reveals the stupidity of gun buyback programs

Here's a whole list with comparable views. The predominance of negatives is obvious.
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I don't know what type of ding dong would trade his $500 handgun for a $20 pizza.
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I don't know what type of ding dong would trade his $500 handgun for a $20 pizza.
Actually me neither, but in Franc world...
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Once again attempting to say I said something I didn't. If it were legal to grow marijuana in your yard it would keep nonviolent drug users out of jail. I didn't say we did not have a drug problem.
I have to agree with you on this one. And Joe blow weed dealer is not carrying a gun. I think most violence is at the upper levels of the big city drug trade, in neighborhoods that have been know for gun and drug violence for decades.

The small potatos pot dealers should not be jailed anywhere.
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I have to agree with you on this one. And Joe blow weed dealer is not carrying a gun. I think most violence is at the upper levels of the big city drug trade, in neighborhoods that have been know for gun and drug violence for decades.

The small potatos pot dealers should not be jailed anywhere.
I spent too many years as a first responder to accept the concept that drug abuse does not involve violence or harm at some level of the user experience.

This is also true of alcohol abuse but the production, distribution and use that "drug" is severely regulated. Were it not one could propose all could or would be better but my money is on worse.

Even low level dealers carry, not for protection from police capture but garden variety assault and theft. I carry when on my ranch property because supposed innocent backyard growers get pissy when I come up on their little bootleg plot in my woods.

To suggest there is some level of the culture that is clearly demarked as sacredly nonviolent is nave.

Denver Colorado has seen a marked increase in crime since the legalization of POT. They say that pot arrest are way down so it cannot be connected top POT. But of course arrests are down, it's not illegal to have or sell the sh!t! But theft assault and robbery are up significantly since 2012. And as they cannot identify an alternate factor, it is not mere coincidence.

The dealers are not giving the sh!t away. So the POT Head who lost his job 'cause he failed to show up sober, has to pay for it somehow. I wish I could say I'm making this up as a possible, but after 17 years as a first responder para-med, and 50 years managing people in a factory setting, I have seen things, undeniable.
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I don't know what type of ding dong would trade his $500 handgun for a $20 pizza.
Some one who stole that $500 handgun would call it a bargain. So, the gun goes to the foundry, and with a full belly the perp finds another victim.
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Some one who stole that $500 handgun would call it a bargain. So, the gun goes to the foundry, and with a full belly the perp finds another victim.


True, but I don't count scumbags who steal as dumbasses who would trade a $500 gun for a $20 pizza. What they steal is not theirs.
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True, but I don't count scumbags who steal as dumbasses who would trade a $500 gun for a $20 pizza. What they steal is not theirs.
What they steal is only worth what they can get for it. But you are right, a $500 gun is usually worth more than a pizza. However, If you are hungry

I mean the perp hasn't paid a cent for the thing.

How about we not get into the weeds on this. What's important is the stupidity of liberal thinking that a gun buyback takes bad guns off the streets. Time and time again it is proven that it doesn't.
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What they steal is only worth what they can get for it. But you are right, a $500 gun is usually worth more than a pizza. However, If you are hungry

I mean the perp hasn't paid a cent for the thing.

How about we not get into the weeds on this. What's important is the stupidity of liberal thinking that a gun buyback takes bad guns off the streets. Time and time again it is proven that it doesn't.
what's important is that fascist think people can't govern themselves. it takes a unique ultra narcissist to do all the thinking and governing for them.
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What they steal is only worth what they can get for it. But you are right, a $500 gun is usually worth more than a pizza. However, If you are hungry
If you own a $500 gun and you are hungry, pawn it. I'm not going to say what to do if you have a stolen gun and you're hungry.
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