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Old 12-19-2017, 06:33 AM
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we have more prisoners than any other modern country.
not enough room. too many nonviolent drug offenders
Sooooo, you're saying that is an excuse to pass more gun laws? You post is confusing. What does this have to do with the topic?
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we have more prisoners than any other modern country.
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First of all, there simply is no such thing as a nonviolent drug offender. The illicit drug industry, from those who sell it on the street to those who manufacture and distribute it, is rife with violence. At the other end, when innocent little Kimber does heroin, her unborn baby suffers.

Would not more Gun laws, if enforced, fill our prisons even more. I would suggest a flaw in the logic.
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Drugs, by nature, are violent. They can and do kill people on a regular basis, from those who manufacture it, to the distributors, to the end users.

They kill. I'm not quite sure where you don't see the violence attached to the drug trade.
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Oh please, if I could legally grow pot in my backyard no one would get killed, except maybe a few Twinkies. The violence is related to the accessibility. This might be the dumb drug statement of the year. Guns don't kill people, I agree, but by exactly the same logic, neither do drugs.
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Drugs, by nature, are violent. They can and do kill people on a regular basis, from those who manufacture it, to the distributors, to the end users.

They kill. I'm not quite sure where you don't see the violence attached to the drug trade.
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Oh please, if I could legally grow pot in my backyard no one would get killed, except maybe a few Twinkies. The violence is related to the accessibility. This might be the dumb drug statement of the year. Guns don't kill people, I agree, but by exactly the same logic, neither do drugs.
And by that same logic, illegal distribution or use of a gun is violent. Same with drugs. It's not in the generic of the drug or the gun, but it's abuse and illegal use. So to the point of the OP, the buy back program doesn't change behavior. It only increases the market for unregistered guns. And people will still be shot.,,,,; Illegally.
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Oh please, if I could legally grow pot in my backyard no one would get killed, except maybe a few Twinkies. The violence is related to the accessibility. This might be the dumb drug statement of the year. Guns don't kill people, I agree, but by exactly the same logic, neither do drugs.
buuuut, don't we have an opioid crisis?

Now you've changed goal posts.... 'drugs' does not mean just pot. Perhaps that's the problem, people don't understand the scope of the all drug trades.

Ever been to Garberville CA? A meandering walk in the woods up there can get you shot, pungeed, ditch trapped and or electrocuted. Yes, drugs kill.
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No, I directly addressed a point made by Franc, that there are no nonviolent drug offender. There are many pot growers in prison which is a very nonviolent example. I worked in a big city ER for many years, I think I do have an idea about drugs.
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First of all, there simply is no such thing as a nonviolent drug offender. The illicit drug industry, from those who sell it on the street to those who manufacture and distribute it, is rife with violence. At the other end, when innocent little Kimber does heroin, her unborn baby suffers.

Would not more Gun laws, if enforced, fill our prisons even more. I would suggest a flaw in the logic.
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buuuut, don't we have an opioid crisis?

Now you've changed goal posts.... 'drugs' does not mean just pot. Perhaps that's the problem, people don't understand the scope of the all drug trades.

Ever been to Garberville CA? A meandering walk in the woods up there can get you shot, pungeed, ditch trapped and or electrocuted. Yes, drugs kill.
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No, I directly addressed a point made by Franc, that there are no nonviolent drug offender. There are many pot growers in prison which is a very nonviolent example. I worked in a big city ER for many years, I think I do have an idea about drugs.
Please reread post #16.

People who run afoul of the growers in Humbolt County don't usually end up in the ER.......
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No, I directly addressed a point made by Franc, that there are no nonviolent drug offender. There are many pot growers in prison which is a very nonviolent example. I worked in a big city ER for many years, I think I do have an idea about drugs.
YES, I said that. Because someone using drugs is connected to the violence that surrounds that drug. Your back yard example is a canard in any discussion about the violence of our nation's illicit drug use problem.

Or are you suggesting we don' have a drug use problem?
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Once again attempting to say I said something I didn't. If it were legal to grow marijuana in your yard it would keep nonviolent drug users out of jail. I didn't say we did not have a drug problem.
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YEs, I said that. Because someone using drugs is connected to the violence that surrounds that drug. Your back yard example is a canard in any discussion about the violence of our nation's illicit drug use problem.

Or are you suggesting we don' have a drug use problem?
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