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Gun Control/2nd Amendment Discuss The thoughts & Prayers Game at the General Forum; Originally Posted by Mikeyy This is your new world. You think people in church should all be armed because you ...

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This is your new world. You think people in church should all be armed because you fear your government.
I think that the government should be held accountable to uphold the Constitution in spite of current public opinion and that individual rights should not be sold out for political gain. Read into that anything you want.
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I think that the government should be held accountable to uphold the Constitution in spite of current public opinion and that individual rights should not be sold out for political gain. Read into that anything you want.
It's public opinion that amends the the constitution. Like when it came to race.
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It's public opinion that amends the the constitution. Like when it came to race.
Currently, the Constitution protects our right to keep and bear arms. Until it is amended to say otherwise, it is up to the government to protect that right regardless of "public opinion".
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Currently, the Constitution protects our right to keep and bear arms. Until it is amended to say otherwise, it is up to the government to protect that right regardless of "public opinion".
I do hope you are joking about an amendment to alter the second amendment. Only a tyrant can do that. No amount of constitutional conventions will do it.
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Currently, the Constitution protects our right to keep and bear arms. Until it is amended to say otherwise, it is up to the government to protect that right regardless of "public opinion".
It is our government of and by the people. It's not the government versus the people.
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I gave you a list on another thread
Which part of "constitutionally acceptable" did you not understand. You even admit that your ideas require repealing the 2A. Do you have anything remotely realistic?
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Which part of "constitutionally acceptable" did you not understand. You even admit that your ideas require repealing the 2A. Do you have anything remotely realistic?
Your question is silly. You ask that if we don't change anything how would I change things.
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Your question is silly. You ask that if we don't change anything how would I change things.
No, I asked a simple question. You say we need to change something, OK, give us something realistic you would change. Right now you're only suggestion is repeal the 2A and take away everyone's rights, that just isn't realistic and has no chance of even being considered seriously.
So do you have any suggestions that don't involve space aliens, unicorns, or repealing the 2A?
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That was a well thought out response, Mikeyy.

Yes, criminals will break whatever laws there are. Basic laws explain the when and where for the average joe, so they do serve a purpose. But they are ineffective when someone will choose to become a murderer, and regardless of laws, they will use whatever tool is at hand.

So, again, what do you feel is an acceptable resolution to the issue, while keeping in mind the 2A includes the phrase 'shall not be infringed'?
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It seems that whenever their is a problem with someone abusing their rights, the left wants to jump in and deny law abiding citizens those rights while ignoring the actions of the criminals that are actually breaking the laws in place.

I have a solution. Let's ban murder. That seems to be the net affect of the criminals illegally possessing guns. So if we ban murder, it should stop people from doing it. According to liberal logic, that should cure the problem.
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You have been asked before what constitutionally acceptable laws you would propose that would help prevent incidents like this. Have you come up with an answer yet?


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I really think we have a problem with these mass murderers be they jihadists or nut balls or white supremacists.

People say, and I agree we had more guns per household in the old days than we do now and rarely if ever did you see this stuff.

Yes rapid firing machines do mean more are killed quicker, but putting that aside for a moment, let's look at the evolution of the automobile.

As car ownership grew, it was clear responsibility had to be shown to a) know the basics of driving and b)be able to identify signs, hazards etc. We started requiring a special permit to operate on public roads. Then it became apparent it was FUBAR to expect every individual harmed by an accident to sue in court to get redemption. Auto insurance became a requirement.

How about we let the people who understand -or at least have a chart and some statistics -handle making sure a gun owner is bonded or insured in some fashion?

It would be up to the insurers to do the background and vouch -with money on the line-for each gun buyer.

You show proof of insurance at licensure and purchase of a firearm.

It may not stop every mass attack but I'll bet they would slow down quite a bit.
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I really think we have a problem with these mass murderers be they jihadists or nut balls or white supremacists.

People say, and I agree we had more guns per household in the old days than we do now and rarely if ever did you see this stuff.

Yes rapid firing machines do mean more are killed quicker, but putting that aside for a moment, let's look at the evolution of the automobile.

As car ownership grew, it was clear responsibility had to be shown to a) know the basics of driving and b)be able to identify signs, hazards etc. We started requiring a special permit to operate on public roads. Then it became apparent it was FUBAR to expect every individual harmed by an accident to sue in court to get redemption. Auto insurance became a requirement.

How about we let the people who understand -or at least have a chart and some statistics -handle making sure a gun owner is bonded or insured in some fashion?

It would be up to the insurers to do the background and vouch -with money on the line-for each gun buyer.

You show proof of insurance at licensure and purchase of a firearm.

It may not stop every mass attack but I'll bet they would slow down quite a bit.
I understand what you are getting at and I believe that you are onto something. However, you need to account for the fact that these mass shootings are not the result of people that are not well trained in firearms and are worried about their liability after they commit their heinous acts.

What you are proposing is not at all out of line with how 99.9% of gun owners view their responsibility of owning a firearm. It is the .1% (and more than likely even less than that), that are the problem. They are the ones that will circumvent the system and shoot you anyway. They don't abide by the laws already in place so there is no reasonable expectation that they will abide by any new regulations.

The other flaw in your proposal is that the right to keep and bear arms is a right that is guaranteed by the Constitution, unlike the "privilege" that states grant you to operate a motor vehicle on publicly maintained roads. The government has no authority to make that right conditioned upon the ability to pay an insurance premium.

That being said, thank you for posting a suggestion to the problem we are having. I (and I am sure others on this forum) can appreciate a well reasoned and thoughtful exchange of ideas.
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