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Gun Control/2nd Amendment Discuss President Trump Fires Obama’s Anti-Gun Surgeon General at the General Forum; Originally Posted by ShivaTD https://www.statnews.com/2016/06/03/...thy-questions/ In reading this statement, something that is challenging for some, I don't see any statement ...

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https://www.statnews.com/2016/06/03/...thy-questions/

In reading this statement, something that is challenging for some, I don't see any statement where he's anti-gun. He's anti-gun violence and I'm not quite sure why anyone would be opposed to ending gun violence in America.

[I believe those applauding his removal should state, for the record, why they support gun violence in America and why they think we need more gun violence
What can you do about guns as a public health issue?

Good question.

I got into some trouble for saying gun violence is a public health issue. A little bit of trouble. But you know, I was stating what I think is the obvious, and I think most people in the country understand, which is that far too many people die from gun violence. And in my book, every single death from gun violence is a tragedy because it was preventable. It’s unacceptable.

His statement from your article. As typical of liberals, he never answered the question, but went immediately to liberal talking point #322. After stating it was a good question.

I believe that your premise is wrong. It is not my job to state anything. And any presumption that my reasons for supporting his removal makes the connection between his removal and gun violence is invalid and unsupported.


Guns aren't violent. No more violent than automobiles, misuse of which cause more deaths than misuse of guns. Neither automobiles or guns are a public health issue. Improvements in the care of victims is the public health issue. Misuse is a political or law enforcement issue. Generally both.

In the real world of Presidential politics, the winner gets to make the choice of those he employs. The picks of the defeated are history. President Trump won. President Trump gets to make the pick.
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The 2nd Amendment does not grant or protect a right for anyone to commit gun violence.
No one is saying it does.
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Being shot is bad for your health, but I guess that was too much for the NRA and enough for some to call the guy anti-gun.
By that logic, then he should be condemning driving automobiles as bad for your health as well, since being killed in a car accident is bad for your health.
Gee, who would have guessed that anything which could potentially injure someone could be "bad for their health"? LOL
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Now he needs to ferret out all the other Dem's out there in our Government and fire there azz's to!

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Like killing people en mass is not a public health problem...r I ght
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What can you do about guns as a public health issue?

As typical of liberals, he never answered the question, but went immediately to liberal talking point #322. After stating it was a good question.
It is a good question but only a Republican would think that an unqualified person should answer. Vivek Murthy would be an expert at treating the wounds caused by gun violence. His expertise is medical because doctors have to deal with the injuries to people from gun violence

Only a firearms expert or a law enforcement expert would be able to provide reasonable solutions to the problem of human injuries caused by gun violence.

I own firearms but I'm not an expert but even I can propose something that could reduce the severity of injuries caused by gun violence.

Wouldn't it reduce the severity of a wound caused by a bullet if we reduced the muzzle velocity and/or muzzle energy of the bullets when it leaves the barrel? Logic tells me that a lighter bullet (reducing the mass/energy) traveling at a slower velocity will cause less damage. That seems to make sense from a physics perspective.

I'm sure that the NRA could come up with something a lot better than my proposals so what's the NRA proposing to reduce the injuries causes by gun violence?

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I believe that your premise is wrong. It is not my job to state anything. And any presumption that my reasons for supporting his removal makes the connection between his removal and gun violence is invalid and unsupported.


Guns aren't violent. No more violent than automobiles, misuse of which cause more deaths than misuse of guns. Neither automobiles or guns are a public health issue. Improvements in the care of victims is the public health issue. Misuse is a political or law enforcement issue. Generally both.

In the real world of Presidential politics, the winner gets to make the choice of those he employs. The picks of the defeated are history. President Trump won. President Trump gets to make the pick.
If my premise is wrong and you don't advocate gun violence then what is you proposal for reducing the number of incidents and reducing the severity of the injury cause by gun violence? I'll assume you know something about guns and gun violence.

Injuries and deaths caused by misuse of cars and guns are a public health issue and I'm not sure why anyone would say they aren't. They certainly affect the health of the public that are involved in automobile accidents resulting in injury and death as well as firearms related injuries and deaths.

We have safety standards for cars and drivers that operate them so why shouldn't we have safety standards for firearms and those that use them.

And yes, the "winner" gets make the choice of those they employ but any businessman knows that you should pick the person that's not just qualified for a position but is also a chief advocate for the position. A CEO of a corporation would not, for example, select someone to head the quality assurance organization that opposed to quality. Only a stupid CEO would do that.

Now we have President Trump that selected a person opposed the protecting the environment to head the Environmental Protection Agency. He's selected a person that opposes public schools as Sect of Education. He's selected a person that is an advocate for the enterprise to head the Department of Labor that's suppose to support the workers and not the enterprise. Trump's a businessman as the Sect of State that's the highest diplomatic position in the cabinet.

So yes, Donald Trump gets to make the choice but so far we know he's made a lot of bad choices because he's been choose people that aren't suited for the positions they've been appointed to. Trump is exhibit the characteristics of an extremely bad CEO which is why his corporations have failed in the past.

Based upon Trump's poor performance in the first 100 days, his poor record on selecting qualified people for appointments, and the fact that the firing of the Surgeon General was over gun violence we can probably expect Trump to pick someone like Dennis R. Veilleux, the CEO of Colt manufacturing, to be the new Surgeon General because he knows nothing about medicine but does know a lot about guns.

Trump sure is following the "Peter Principle" where people are being promoted to their highest level of incompetence.
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Being shot is bad for your health, but I guess that was too much for the NRA and enough for some to call the guy anti-gun.
I'm pretty sure Chicago, with all its idiot anti gun laws, would love to have you clarify that part of your "being shot is bad for your health" balther for all the bad guys there. Maybe they wil turn in their firearms if they are offered Elton John or Justin Bieber concert tickets!
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Like killing people en mass is not a public health problem...r I ght
OOOH! I get it! Make war a public health problem as well.

Bunch of dumbasses trying to say a crooked line is the shortest way to sanity.
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By that logic, then he should be condemning driving automobiles as bad for your health as well, since being killed in a car accident is bad for your health.
Gee, who would have guessed that anything which could potentially injure someone could be "bad for their health"? LOL
Yeah, that liberal vomit made my sides hurt for a while. Darn those laughing spells. That "public health" hazard note could well have come from Edith Bunker herself.
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OOOH! I get it! Make war a public health problem as well.

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um yeah it kind of is HELLO
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