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Over 98% of mass shootings occurred on gun-free zones, research shows – TheBlaze

On the heels of the shooting in Fort Lauderdale that took the lives of five people, a new report has surfaced with some breathtaking statistics about where mass shootings take place.

According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, from the 1950’s through July 10th of 2016, 98.4 percent of mass shootings have occurred on gun-free zones, with just 1.6 percent occurring where citizens are allowed to have firearms with them.

The research was actually updated from a previous figure in response to an article written by the gun-control advocacy group Everytown.org, which attempted to dismiss the CPRC’s research, saying “the gun lobby’s claims that so-called “gun-free zones” endanger Americans are inconsistent with evidence.” The CPRC says that Everytown.org used both incomplete information, and used criteria that falls outside of what the FBI considers as qualifications for mass shootings.

The FBI definition of mass public shootings excludes “shootings that resulted from gang or drug violence” or that were part of some other crime. The FBI also defines “public” places as “includ[ing] commercial areas (divided into malls, businesses open to pedestrian traffic, and businesses closed to pedestrian traffic), educational environments (divided into schools [pre-kindergarten through 12th grade] and IHEs), open spaces, government properties (divided into military and other government properties), houses of worship, and health care facilities.”

The CPRC dismisses claims of “mass shootings” if they do not meet the FBI’s criteria, and gives an entire list of mass shootings that have occurred within the United States. It then debunks Everytown.org’s claims.

While the first part of the discussion here goes through each mass public shooting from 2009 to 2014 discussed in the Bloomberg report, further down in this post we have updated cases up through 2015 and the sources of older cases dating back to 1950. At the end of the post we have a response to Everytown’s response to our post. Using the data from 1950 through February 2016 has three mass public shootings in places where general citizens are allowed to have guns — that is just over 1 percent of the shootings over that period.

To see the list for yourself, follow the link here.

Very recently, state lawmakers have begun moving to eliminate gun-free zones in various places, including two bills introduced into the Florida Senate and House that allows for carry within airports and government buildings, as well as one in Kentucky to allow firearms to be carried in schools.
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Everyone knows this is a phony stat. The Blaze, blazing miles of BS.
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Everyone knows this is a phony stat. The Blaze, blazing miles of BS.
Do you feel safer in a gun free zone or in a guns allowed zone?
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Everyone knows this is a phony stat. The Blaze, blazing miles of BS.
The guy behind the studies from that group is a prolific liar.
https://www.armedwithreason.com/shoo...-lott-of-lies/
However, the most egregious falsehoods Lott promulgates are strewn throughout his numerous op-ed columns. Here are but a few:

Lott writes in multiple articles that: “With just two exceptions, every public mass shooting in the United States since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens were banned from carrying guns.”
This is blatantly false. In fact, the best evidence indicates that since January 2009 there have been 16 mass shootings (where 4 or more people are killed by a firearm) that took place either in part or wholly in areas where guns were not banned, and 2 others where armed guards or police were there at the time of the shooting. In contrast, 15 mass shootings occurred in “gun-free zones.” Lott’s repeated falsehoods are not born out of ignorance though. Lott penned a sloppy critique of an earlier report on mass shootings, in which he tacitly admitted that of the 8 incidents he took issue with, 4 did not occur in areas that banned guns. He has since turned his critique into an even more error-ridden report.

https://www.armedwithreason.com/debu...#comment-27218
In one example of statistical malpractice, Lott excludes many mass-shooting incidents in which the shooter was committing an additional felony (such as armed robbery) during the crime, despite the fact that felony-related mass murders account for 36 percent of the data set on which he bases the study. Lott’s explanation for doing so was an unjustified presumption that bystanders in crimes like robberies or drug deals will already “be engaged in unlawful activities that often require them to carry guns.” However, analysis of this claim reveals that 69 percent of the mass shootings excluded by Lott involved robberies committed in public locations (like convenience stores and fast-food restaurants) where the bystanders were innocent civilians. If RTC laws are to have any effect at all, then surely they would apply to such situations, making it unclear how Lott could choose to ignore them.

When Lott’s research is compared to a more recent study using more appropriate statistical models and a wider range of available data, the beneficial effect of Right to Carry policy vanishes. The authors of a 2002 study, a trio with combined criminology and economics expertise, evaluated RTC laws in 25 states from 1977 to 1999, an expanded version of Lott’s analysis (which covered 23 states in that same time period). They concluded that “RTC laws have no effect on mass public shootings at all.”
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foundit66, at 8:19PM, when I gave my opinion on a Liberal economist presenting his study...

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Attack the messenger, eh?
foundit66, less than 5 hours later, at 1:06AM, when presented with a study...

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The guy behind the studies from that group is a prolific liar.
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foundit66, at 8:19PM, when I gave my opinion on a Liberal economist presenting his study...

foundit66, less than 5 hours later, at 1:06AM, when presented with a study...
You gave no justification for rejecting Joseph Stiglitz's work (other than your opinion).
Your response even failed to acknowledge there were MULTIPLE nobel laureate economists involved reaching the same conclusion.

In mine, I document why Lott is recognized as a prolific liar. It's not just an "opinion"...

And even moreso, in my reply I demonstrate why his study was a fake.
You didn't even try to give a reason why Stiglitz's assessment was wrong.
Why did you gloss over the details on that?


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When a statement is challenged by making an ad hominem attack on its author, it is important to draw a distinction between whether the statement in question was an argument or a statement of fact (testimony). In the latter case the issues of the credibility of the person making the statement may be crucial.[7]
Non-fallacious reasoning - wikipedia
The "study" (or so it's claimed) in the OP is NOT peer reviewed.
And this guy has a history of coloring the numbers in his study. (like the example I gave)
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You gave no justification for rejecting Joseph Stiglitz's work.
Your response even failed to acknowledge there were MULTIPLE nobel laureate economists involved.

In mine, I document why Lott is recognized as a prolific liar. It's not just an "opinion"...

And even moreso, in my reply I demonstrate why his study was a fake.
You didn't even try to give a reason why Stiglitz's assessment was wrong.
Why did you gloss over the details on that?
I'll quote you again...

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Attack the messenger, eh?
Funny...

I don't see were it says "Attack the messenger without giving proper justification as I require because I make the rules, eh?"...

I think Stiglitz is a POS and you think Lott is a POS...

But only you demand the class show its work...
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I'll quote you again...
Funny...
I don't see were it says "Attack the messenger without giving proper justification as I require because I make the rules, eh?"...
I figured you knew the difference inbetween demonstrating somebody was a non-credible source and just not liking them.

I added this after I initially hit post, but I'll add this for clarification...
When a statement is challenged by making an ad hominem attack on its author, it is important to draw a distinction between whether the statement in question was an argument or a statement of fact (testimony). In the latter case the issues of the credibility of the person making the statement may be crucial.[7]
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The "study" (or so it's claimed) in the OP is NOT peer reviewed.
And this guy has a history of coloring the numbers in his study. (like the example I gave)


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I think Stiglitz is a POS and you think Lott is a POS...
But only you demand the class show its work...

It's not equivalent. Lott is a documented liar and I've provided documentation.

Don't even try to mock me on this issue of documenting claims.
Do I need to dig up your own words regarding documenting claims?
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For the time being there will be no more new gun free zones.

As for Lott, it is his word against the liars I think.. No proof those who say Lott is incorrect is actually the truth. Time and time again I hear liberals say some one is a liar, and they bring yet just an opinion to the table, and most of the time it is actually a lie they wish were true.

America will not be "gun free" for the rest of my time on Earth when we load SCOTUS with our judges.

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Well Lott's the liar so it's his word against... himself?
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