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Gun Control/2nd Amendment Discuss St Louis, MO Gun Ban at the General Forum; Originally Posted by Manitou Do you want the government involved in this, or is this just a matter of common ...

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Do you want the government involved in this, or is this just a matter of common sense among pro-gun people?
I've no problem with schools offering safety training. Training does not violate the second amendment. We offer other safety training. Vehicles for one.

Most of us old farts still remember the hide under the desk when the bomb is coming training.
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I've no problem with schools offering safety training. Training does not violate the second amendment. We offer other safety training. Vehicles for one.

Most of us old farts still remember the hide under the desk when the bomb is coming training.

You're right. I was just picturing the old Nazi scenario, "Vee haf vays to make you talk!" And then some elected jokers later on telling a weenie or snowflake that he could not buy a firearm because he did not go through school training.
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Because gangbangers and other criminals and psychos and assorted bad guys will quickly fight each other to be first in line to get one.
This line of reasoning is like pointing to speeders on the highway to try to invalidate speeding laws.


With gun control laws, many people shove their logic out the window and make arguments which would more obviously not pass muster in other venues.
It's a fascinating phenomenon.
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This line of reasoning is like pointing to speeders on the highway to try to invalidate speeding laws.


With gun control laws, many people shove their logic out the window and make arguments which would more obviously not pass muster in other venues.
It's a fascinating phenomenon.
True. I think they are called gun control advocates.
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This line of reasoning is like pointing to speeders on the highway to try to invalidate speeding laws.


With gun control laws, many people shove their logic out the window and make arguments which would more obviously not pass muster in other venues.
It's a fascinating phenomenon.
I'm saying your government-required permit proposal sucks, plain and simple.

As for your speeders comparison, there are already laws against speeding, just like there are already laws against misusing your weapons and hurting or killing innocent people. Do you propose everybody also carry a permit that says they have been notified of excessive speeding, and that they passed a safe speed test?
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I'm saying your government-required permit proposal sucks, plain and simple.
I understand you don't like them.
Your reasoning provided is illogical.

It's nonsensical to point to people violating a law as justification for revoking that law.


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As for your speeders comparison, there are already laws against speeding, just like there are already laws against misusing your weapons and hurting or killing innocent people. Do you propose everybody also carry a permit that says they have been notified of excessive speeding, and that they passed a safe speed test?
No.
A Driving Test will suffice.

And as such, during that driving test people will be educated on things like the speed limit. (or proper, legal use of a gun)
And moving forward, if a law enforcement officer observes illegal use, they can then act accordingly.

See how that works?
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I understand you don't like them.
Your reasoning provided is illogical.

It's nonsensical to point to people violating a law as justification for revoking that law.



No.
A Driving Test will suffice.

And as such, during that driving test people will be educated on things like the speed limit. (or proper, legal use of a gun)
And moving forward, if a law enforcement officer observes illegal use, they can then act accordingly.

See how that works?
Putting aside for the moment that driving is not a right, and nowhere is there any government regulation that driving rights shall not be infringed, I've never heard any anti driving state that the new law is just a small step toward banning autos. I've heard that from anti gun banoids.
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A Driving Test will suffice.

And as such, during that driving test people will be educated on things like the speed limit. (or proper, legal use of a gun)
And moving forward, if a law enforcement officer observes illegal use, they can then act accordingly.

See how that works?
Yes, I see how that works. It's cheaper to get "permission" for the privilege of driving a car than it is for the unalienable right to carry a gun.
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Putting aside for the moment that driving is not a right, and nowhere is there any government regulation that driving rights shall not be infringed, I've never heard any anti driving state that the new law is just a small step toward banning autos. I've heard that from anti gun banoids.
You should take that up with those actually trying to ban guns.
I'm just talking about a driving test / gun training and I oppose a ban on guns.
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The city of Saint Louis is attempting to ban a certain class of firearm; specifically semiautomatics. If passed this 'regulation' would be punishable by fines and potential jail time.
How is that not unconstitutional?
because the 2nd amendment allows for regulation in it's original -no frills-wording
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