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Absolutely, if the proposed legislation is designed to usurp the Constitution and all that It represents.
Which it isn't since it is a regulation (proposed).
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is there a problem with violence in Mo?
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She called the two bills a response to the Missouri Legislature's September vote allowing anyone 18 and over to carry a concealed gun without a permit, background check or any training.

Krewson also cites a demonstration earlier this year in which groups stood on the street in the Central West End carrying assault rifles.
St. Louis alderman wants to ban 'assault weapons,' require guns left in vehicles be locked up | Law and order | stltoday.com


I personally think concealed carry should be something requiring a permit.


But she lost that battle.
And with a statewide political landscape that is okay with concealed carry without a permit, I think she's trying to start another battle she'll likely lose...
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Which it isn't since it is a regulation (proposed).
The city of Saint Louis is attempting to ban a certain class of firearm; specifically semiautomatics. If passed this 'regulation' would be punishable by fines and potential jail time.
How is that not unconstitutional?
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She called the two bills a response to the Missouri Legislature's September vote allowing anyone 18 and over to carry a concealed gun without a permit, background check or any training.

Krewson also cites a demonstration earlier this year in which groups stood on the street in the Central West End carrying assault rifles.
St. Louis alderman wants to ban 'assault weapons,' require guns left in vehicles be locked up | Law and order | stltoday.com


I personally think concealed carry should be something requiring a permit.


But she lost that battle.
And with a statewide political landscape that is okay with concealed carry without a permit, I think she's trying to start another battle she'll likely lose...
I have no argument against firearms education; in fact, I am an ambitious advocate.
The Second Amendment carries with it a massive responsibility that has long been ignored.
I remember beginning to learn firearms safety from family members at a very young age. I carried a stick instead of a gun, while hunting or target shooting with my dad, until he was convinced that I was conscious enough of where my 'gun' was pointed at all times before I ever got to shoot his (under close supervision). We also had firearms safety training as part of our PE curriculum from 5th through 8th grade.
I believe we should get back to that kind of training and education from a much younger age.
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I have no argument against firearms education; in fact, I am an ambitious advocate.
The Second Amendment carries with it a massive responsibility that has long been ignored.
I remember beginning to learn firearms safety from family members at a very young age. I carried a stick instead of a gun, while hunting or target shooting with my dad, until he was convinced that I was conscious enough of where my 'gun' was pointed at all times before I ever got to shoot his (under close supervision). We also had firearms safety training as part of our PE curriculum from 5th through 8th grade.
I believe we should get back to that kind of training and education from a much younger age.

Exactly...

I grew up as you did sir. My Dad started us shooting in our back yard range around 6 or 7 years old. This got us interested..

By 12 I was allowed to carry a long gun while hunting. There was no hunter education back in those days.

When I started a family my daughters were curious about fire arms in the cabinet. So I made it a rule anytime they wanted to look at one, to have me get out a rifle or shotgun and let them examine it, and see how it worked. After about half dozen fire arm 'showings", they became pretty rare..

I showed them one after noon with a gallon jug full of colored water what a .220 Swift rifle could do, turning it into a colored cloud of mist. This made a lasting impression on both of them that a rifle was a serious weapon if misused.

By this time they were immune form being curious about guns.

Later I became a 4H shooting sports instructor. I was shooting NRA small bore prone at the time, and began teaching 4H kids rifle shooting. I still do to this day. My youngest daughter has taken up the sport, and needless to say she can outshoot all the boys...

It is ALL about how one grew up, and what we are taught. I never have had any fear of my children, and guns.

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I personally think concealed carry should be something requiring a permit.
Because gangbangers and other criminals and psychos and assorted bad guys will quickly fight each other to be first in line to get one.
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I believe we should get back to that kind of training and education from a much younger age.
Do you want the government involved in this, or is this just a matter of common sense among pro-gun people?
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Do you want the government involved in this, or is this just a matter of common sense among pro-gun people?
Extremely limited government involvement. I.e., elementary school education (no agendized indoctrination) of safety, mechanics and proper use of firearms (beginning with spring loaded models similar to the Daisy "Red Ryder"). Continued extracurricular hunter safety courses such as offered through Missouri Department of Conservation.
Otherwise, it should be up to every parent, regardless of their opinion of firearms, to educate their children about firearms safety and responsibilities.
One point that I always try to emphasize regarding my above statement:
Many people, parents and legislators alike, claim to want to eliminate firearms, or certain types of firearms, for "the safety of the children". My opinion is that these people are handicapping young people; dooming them to be potential victims.
The criminally minded will never obey any gun prohibition law.
There is currently no active military draft, but in the event if a large scale war the Selective Service may draft any young man (and possibly females), thrust a rifle in their hands, train them for 6 - 8 weeks, and send them off to kill or be killed by whomever the enemy may be. Youngsters, like mine, who have been hunting and shooting from an early age will be much more likely to not come home in a bag or a box. Many of the snowflakes of the Millennial generation will be nothing more than cannon fodder.
In the event of a violent home invasion, if the parents were to be incapacitated, children should hide if at all possible. If that is not possible they should be able to put up as much of a fight as possible against an attacker.
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I agree with the school classes, but nothing mandatory. Weenies and snowflakes have the right to remain weenies and snowflakes.
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Which it isn't since it is a regulation (proposed).
Salty, it doesn't work that way. At least it's not supposed to.
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