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No specifics just a repeat of your Opinions?

Really Salty, you have to do better than that.

In a nation where one must prove ID to get on a plane, buy ammunition or use a credit card, or just about any activity in public discourse, a Photo ID is essential. Making Voter ID quite simple ,,,; and also essential.
it has been determined civil rights may be violated in that way. maybe your state will make provisions to see that is not done. if not be prepared to fork over some appeal money.
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it has been determined civil rights may be violated in that way. maybe your state will make provisions to see that is not done. if not be prepared to fork over some appeal money.
Determined by whom?
Again you offer your opinion as fact, and without substantiation.

And the word "may" isn't sufficient reason to risk open fraud in something as important as the individual vote. I only have one vote. It is in itself a "civil right" and deserves to be protected.


Found this on another Forum. It says the facts of the matter plainly, and I agree.

... I still can't see the objections to Voter ID laws. You have to be able to produce a valid ID to get a driver's license,
buy a beer (or a gun!) and several other things. Are the anti-ID people trying to sell the idea that people who want
to vote don't do any of these other things that require an ID? That is absurd on its face! There is no way this should
"disenfranchise" anyone ... especially since most states with voter ID laws make it incredibly easy to get an ID. This
is an imaginary issue made up by people who want to commit voter fraud, and we should loudly label it as such!!


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This concealed carry stuff is terrible!!!! Now how are the criminals going to know who can protect themselves and who can't? I guess the good old days of criminals being the only ones with concealed weapons is over. Now they will have to move across the river to continue their business. What will the left do when the crime rates start dropping?
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This concealed carry stuff is terrible!!!! Now how are the criminals going to know who can protect themselves and who can't? I guess the good old days of criminals being the only ones with concealed weapons is over. Now they will have to move across the river to continue their business. What will the left do when the crime rates start dropping?
Don't get to worried over this. While such understanding of the Constitution occurs occasionally in other states, so far, this radical concept change of unleashing the second amendment rights of citizenry is only happening in Missouri.

It may well be some time before such madness reaches other states.
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well pardner I believe that there original constitution has been amended a time or two since
better check her again
Yes, the Constitution has indeed been "amended" a few times--17 times, plus the 10 amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights, added in 1791.

But it should not be changed by jurists who mistake their job (of interpreting the Constitution) for the job of the legislature and the people. (Two-thirds of both chambers of Congress--the House and the Senate--must approve of an amendment in order to send it to the states; and then three-fourths of the states--currently, no fewer than 38--must approve it.)
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Yes, the Constitution has indeed been "amended" a few times--17 times, plus the 10 amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights, added in 1791.

But it should not be changed by jurists who mistake their job (of interpreting the Constitution) for the job of the legislature and the people. (Two-thirds of both chambers of Congress--the House and the Senate--must approve of an amendment in order to send it to the states; and then three-fourths of the states--currently, no fewer than 38--must approve it.)
Again, for everybody's information, no unalienable right set forth in the Constitution can be modified by any entity but God.
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I would add that no amendment has effected the 2nd.

The Constitution can be altered in two distinct ways.
One) The founders gave us one way. By initiative and vote of the people and/or Congress. But the states must ratify that change via a 75% majority.

TWO) By implementation and enforcement through the view of our President and the SCOTUS. That method of change has happened more than the 17 times the Founders method was used.

We truly need to convene a Constitutional Assembly of the States (permitted in the original Constitution and so far never used) to cut the legs off of the Power Grab being done by both the SCOTUS and the POTUS who have often bypassed the legislature to implement their wishes over the will of the people.

Sometimes, such as school desegregation a good thing, we think it is acceptable to go over the line but at the end of the day, it isn't.

The 2nd is clear to those who understand that freedom is never free or easy, or simple. And cannot be guaranteed by a government by mankind, who's inherent mission it to seek power.
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