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COLUMBIA, S.C. — The F.B.I. is being sued by survivors of last year’s Charleston church shooting, who say federal negligence enabled Dylann Roof to buy the .45-caliber handgun he used.

Lawyers for three people who survived the attack and the estates of five of the nine people who were killed at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in June 2015 accused the bureau of failing to thoroughly check Mr. Roof’s background before he bought the gun last year.

If the agency had done its job, according to lawsuits filed Thursday, Mr. Roof’s prior drug arrest would have shown up, and the bureau would have denied his purchase.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/us...-gun.html?_r=0

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Seems like an ATF matter, not so much the FBI.

I thought it was ATF responcibility to keep a no purchase data base..

After reading the artical I am a bit confused of why FBI involvement.

I had better do some reading on this.

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Seems like an ATF matter, not so much the FBI.

I thought it was ATF responcibility to keep a no purchase data base..

After reading the artical I am a bit confused of why FBI involvement.

I had better do some reading on this.

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I think it's the FBI that is the parent agency of NICS.
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Granny says, "Dat's right - lock him up an' throw away the key...

Dylann Roof to plead guilty to state murder charges, prosecutor says
March 31, 2017 -- Dylann Roof, sentenced to death in federal court in a mass church shooting in South Carolina in 2015, will plead guilty to state murder charges and receive a life sentence in prison, the prosecutor said Friday.
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Roof, 22, was convicted on Dec. 15 of 33 federal charges, including hate crimes, and sentenced to death by jurors on Jan. 10 for killing nine black worshippers on June 17, 2015, at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston. Ninth Circuit Solicitor Scarlett Wilson also was pursuing the death penalty for nine state murder charges. But Wilson said Roof will plead guilty at 1 p.m. April 10 and will receive a life sentence in the plea deal. He will be able to address the judge if he chooses and family members also will have the opportunity to talk.

Wilson announced the information through an email Friday morning to the families of the victims. "I write with great news that the state's case is ready to wrap up," she wrote in a letter obtained by The Post and Courier. "As I told you towards the end of trial and in other updates, at this point our goal is to provide an insurance policy to the federal conviction and sentence. The most effective way to do that is to secure a guilty plea for a life sentence and get the defendant into federal custody."

Wilson told the newspaper in an interview the plea deal will allow the federal government to move him to federal prison. "The goal is to get him into federal custody so their sentence can be imposed," she said. Roof is now in the Charleston County detention center. Male prisoners sentenced to death in federal courts usually are housed at a prison in Terre Haute, Ind., where executions are conducted.


Dylann S. Roof, 22, was sentenced to death in January for the deaths of nine parishioners at a church in Charleston in 2015. He has accepted a plea death for life in prison on state charges, the prosecutor said Friday.

The Rev. Sharon Risher, whose mother, Ethel Lee Lance, died in the shooting, was called by Wilson about the news. "I totally appreciated that," Risher said. "I'm feeling glad we don't have to endure another trial. I believe in my heart that this is the right thing to do. He won't ever be able to step outside again. He won't ever feel the sun on his skin again."

Charleston County Public Defender Ashley Pennington, who is Roof's attorney in state court, declined to comment on the negotiated plea, including taking the death penalty off the table. David Bruck, Roof's lead attorney in the federal case, also declined to comment. Roof represented himself during the sentencing phase of the federal trial.

Dylann Roof to plead guilty to state murder charges, prosecutor says - UPI.com
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Dylann Roof to plead guilty to state murder charges, prosecutor says
March 31, 2017 -- Dylann Roof, sentenced to death in federal court in a mass church shooting in South Carolina in 2015, will plead guilty to state murder charges and receive a life sentence in prison, the prosecutor said Friday.


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COLUMBIA, S.C. — The F.B.I. is being sued by survivors of last year’s Charleston church shooting, who say federal negligence enabled Dylann Roof to buy the .45-caliber handgun he used.

Lawyers for three people who survived the attack and the estates of five of the nine people who were killed at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in June 2015 accused the bureau of failing to thoroughly check Mr. Roof’s background before he bought the gun last year.

If the agency had done its job, according to lawsuits filed Thursday, Mr. Roof’s prior drug arrest would have shown up, and the bureau would have denied his purchase.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/us...-gun.html?_r=0

Hilarious . . . Typical democrats who believe that they have an enforceable right to be "safe".

No doubt the NICS is a joke but the government is immune from such lawsuits. The only time any government entity can be held liable for injury or death of a private citizen is when the person who was injured or died was physically bound by government action from acting in their own defense.

What's next? Suing judges who let violent offenders out on bail, or probation / parole dept's who release killers? (That's actually something I would love to see)
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Hilarious . . . Typical democrats who believe that they have an enforceable right to be "safe".

No doubt the NICS is a joke but the government is immune from such lawsuits. The only time any government entity can be held liable for injury or death of a private citizen is when the person who was injured or died was physically bound by government action from acting in their own defense.

What's next? Suing judges who let violent offenders out on bail, or probation / parole dept's who release killers? (That's actually something I would love to see)
That's actually a valid point. If there is a lawsuit here, shouldn't the fault be with the restrictions put on citizens to protect themselves by gun registration requirements and gun free zones?

You're not going to stop criminals or those determined to kill a lot of people from getting guns. And if you do they will just move on to other methods of mass destruction.

If the principal at Sandy Hook had had a 12 gauge locked up in her office, Sandy Hook would not have happened.

Cho at Tech bought his weapons legally while Wilder's one gun a month law was in effect. Cho was a patient person.

If the Aurora shooter had not had access to weapons, he would have used one of the explosive devices he had and created far more destruction.

Same with Roof. A can of gas lit on fire would have been far more effective.
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Calling attorneys his 'political and biological enemies,' Dylann Roof seeks new ones for federal appeal
Sep 18, 2017 - Emanuel AME Church shooter Dylann Roof filed a handwritten request in his federal appeals case Monday seeking new attorneys, saying the ones appointed to him are Jewish and Indian and therefore "my political and biological enemies."
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Roof, who received a death sentence in January for killing nine black church worshippers because of their race, penned his three-page motion from an Indiana prison that houses the federal execution chamber. A self-described "white nationalist," Roof added that he already had found it impossible to work with his lead trial attorney, David Bruck, because he too was Jewish. "His ethnicity was a constant source of conflict even with my constant efforts to look past it," Roof wrote in his new motion. "Trust is a vital component in an attorney client relationship, and is important to the effectiveness of the defense. Because of my political views, which are arguably religious, it will be impossible for me to trust two attorneys that are my political and biological enemies."


Given the ethnicity of his court-appointed federal public defenders, Alexandra Yates and Sapna Mirchandani, it is "literally impossible that they and I could have the same interests related to my case," Roof wrote. Yates and Mirchandani were appointed after Roof was sentenced to death in January. During the trial, he often feuded with Bruck, who wanted to present evidence of mental illness and possible autism in an effort to garner Roof a life sentence. Roof sought to represent himself in response, although he wound up allowing Bruck to serve as lead counsel during the guilt portion of the trial. Roof still represented himself during the sentencing phase to ensure Bruck could not introduce mental health evidence.


At one point, Roof told Bruck he hated him and that "if he gets out of jail, he plans to come to Mr. Bruck's house and kill him," according to an affidavit filed by the defense team. After his death sentence was imposed, Roof asked U.S. District Judge Richard Gergel to appoint him new lawyers so he didn't have to continue with Bruck and his team. "I just don't trust them," Roof said. Roof sent his new motion to the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals in Virginia. He added that he wants his appeals to go as smoothly as possible with lawyers that have "my best interest in mind."

Calling attorneys his 'political and biological enemies,' Dylann Roof seeks new ones for federal appeal | Church Shooting | postandcourier.com
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Appeals court denies Dylann Roof's request to replace lawyers he called 'political and biological enemies'
Sep 19, 2017 - A federal court denied Emanuel AME Church shooter Dylann Roof's request for new attorneys to handle his appeal, without comment, on his argument the ones appointed to him are Jewish and Indian and therefore "my political and biological enemies."
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The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals in Virginia issued a one-line ruling Tuesday saying only "the court denies the motion for substitution of counsel on appeal." Roof, who received a death sentence in January for killing nine black church worshippers because of their race, penned his three-page motion from an Indiana prison that houses the federal execution chamber. A self-described white nationalist, Roof added he'd already found it impossible to work with his lead trial attorney, David Bruck, because he too is Jewish.

"His ethnicity was a constant source of conflict even with my constant efforts to look past it," Roof wrote in his motion. "Trust is a vital component in an attorney client relationship, and is important to the effectiveness of the defense. Because of my political views, which are arguably religious, it will be impossible for me to trust two attorneys that are my political and biological enemies." Given the ethnicity of his court-appointed federal public defenders — Alexandra Yates and Sapna Mirchandani, it is "literally impossible that they and I could have the same interests related to my case," Roof wrote.

Yates and Mirchandani were appointed after Roof was sentenced to death in January. During the trial, he often feuded with Bruck, who wanted to present evidence of mental illness and possible autism in an effort to garner Roof a life sentence. Roof represented himself during portions of the trial to block Bruck's strategy, and he reportedly threatened to kill Bruck at one point if he managed to get out of jail, according to court documents. After his death sentence was imposed, Roof asked for new lawyers so he didn't have to continue with Bruck and his team, saying "I just don't trust them."

Appeals court denies Dylann Roof's request to replace lawyers he called 'political and biological enemies' | News | postandcourier.com
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