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The big problem we have in this debate is that too many people keep saying islam is a religion, when it is not in fact a religion. It is an extreme ideology that masquerades as a religion. islam is a set of laws for and about muslims to follow, and most people in this country do not understand that.

Until we have politicians realizing that islam is the problem, and also realizes that islam is not a religion, let alone a religion of peace, we will never defeat terrorism.
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I call Islam a religion the same way I call liberals logical.

Islam in all actuality, opined or otherwise, is a sham set of anal retentive rules by which imbeciles will live, or face the consequences of being punished by better MEN! Imbeciles do not get it.
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The big problem we have in this debate is that too many people keep saying islam is a religion, when it is not in fact a religion. It is an extreme ideology that masquerades as a religion. islam is a set of laws for and about muslims to follow, and most people in this country do not understand that.

Until we have politicians realizing that islam is the problem, and also realizes that islam is not a religion, let alone a religion of peace, we will never defeat terrorism.
Christianity has a set of rules and laws to follow.

All religions do, Islam isn't somehow this ideology beyond religion just because it has rules.

It's a religion, even if you don't like it.
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Christianity has a set of rules and laws to follow.

All religions do, Islam isn't somehow this ideology beyond religion just because it has rules.

It's a religion, even if you don't like it.
It's a religion. It's also a form of government. A form of government opposite our government. Muslim followers can't separate the two, nor according to their religion/government they can't renounce either.
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And now if you all don't mind,,,; Back to our regularly schedule program?


Gun control laws already on the books should have caught Mateen. They didn't. Why?

And more to the point, would that have prevented this tragedy? prevented this tragedy. Being denied access to an automatic carbine, would the perpetrator gone to sears for a Pressure Cooker? Lowes for chainsaw? Or a box knife?

Our gun laws erode the 2nd amendment. A fact that many will dispute and many others will tolerate because we would like our streets to be safe and orderly. But these restrictions on the possession and carry of arms have their drawbacks. If not enforced with strict and stern equanimity they become weak and useless for the law abiding souls at the pleasure of lawbreakers and sometimes, Justice.

Why does anyone committing a crime with a gun ever walk away from the Courthouse a free person? Because of sloppy beaurocrats and politically motivated restrictions on Profiling, conniving courts and just lax police work, the gun laws meant to protect us,,,;DON'T.

A fresh new layer of gun restrictions will not change this.

And we cannot remove 300,000,000 guns from America. If we try, only a few law abiding citizens will give them up. And that number will likely be a small percentage of gun owners.

But we can change how we approach the problem. It is a simple formula. If a citizen is not responsible with the rights given them by a US birth, remove those rights.

Shout fire in a theater, go to jail
Apply cruel and usual punishment,,, go to jail
Deprive someone of an attorney,,, go to jail
Enter their home without a warrant,,, go to jail
Use a firearm to commit and assault or other crime,,,; Go to jail.

Lawyers, judges and occasionally the police forget these are natural rights. They practice their craft to their personal ends often at the cost of innocents, and the liberties of the nation. It is the responsibly of elected officials to monitor and correct this condition.

No law will.
No prophylactic legislation will.

Our leaders haven't done any of this. Instead they rename a rifle an "assault weapon." As though possessing one implies the citizen owner has a nefarious intention. A "label" that carries well with those progressive liberals who seek to disarm our nation and make Americans completely dependent on the police and government. Those same institutions who currently have failed to adequately do so.

Same goes with no fly lists and terrorist watch lists

It was the intention of the Founders that the institutions of government have no special powers to make the citizens un-equal. Not to each other and certainly not to the government agents and agencies. Any law that corrupts this balance is an erosion of the intention of those who thought allegiance to a covenant would be more likely to insure individual freedom than any other form of governance of men.

"...the right to bear arms, shall not be infringed..."

Without the Bill of rights, we lose. It is the obligation of men and women to resist any and all onslaughts to those first ten essential rights of mankind.

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Christianity has a set of rules and laws to follow.

All religions do, Islam isn't somehow this ideology beyond religion just because it has rules.

It's a religion, even if you don't like it.
And therein lies the problem, you willfully ignore the fact that islam is an ideology not a religion, that is why the terrorists continue to kill, and why they won't be defeated.
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Christianity has a set of rules and laws to follow.

All religions do, Islam isn't somehow this ideology beyond religion just because it has rules.

It's a religion, even if you don't like it.
Always with the damned attacks on Christianity, like a spoiled PeeWee Herman going, "I know you are but what am I?"

Christianity does not have monkeys going around doing terroristic attacks on innocent people,
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Christianity has a set of rules and laws to follow.

All religions do, Islam isn't somehow this ideology beyond religion just because it has rules.

It's a religion, even if you don't like it.
Christianity is a faith, not a religion.

Islam is a faith, not a religion.

Islam, as part of its ideology, requires the subordination of the state to Islam.

This makes Islam a political ideology as well.
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Christianity is a faith, not a religion.

Islam is a faith, not a religion.

Islam, as part of its ideology, requires the subordination of the state to Islam.

This makes Islam a political ideology as well.
Based on Wally's definitions, perhaps we would be better off as a religious nation state. Then No nation which respects religions would attack us.

Religion versus ideology,,,; I suspect it is the intention of our current leadership to confuse the two. I heard today from a White House defender the "we do not go to war with religions" speech. So, that means we cannot attack, or even defend ourselves from, a theocracy.

"CLEVER" comes to mind.

But it is still lousy leadership.
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