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I'm just curious why the party that correctly (at times) points out the faults of the Federal Government, which now is largely controlled by big business rather than the people, wants to have that very government as the only body that has guns?
They have constantly been chipping away at gun ownership since the National Firearms Act of 1934?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
Why should the Federal Government be the only ones they wish to have Arms?

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I'm just curious why the party that correctly (at times) points out the faults of the Federal Government, which now is largely controlled by big business rather than the people, wants to have that very government as the only body that has guns?
They have constantly been chipping away at the National Firearms Act of 1934?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
Why should the Federal Government be the only one they wish to have Arms?
I agree totally but cant speak for others
I believe in progressivism as in Theodore Roosevelt tho
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I was editing that as you quoted but thx Saltwn.
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Only morons would attempt to chip away at the second amendment, refusing to understand that the second amendment in the Constitution is not even needed to remind most people that the right to bear arms is an unalienable right. So all those groups can go screw themselves.

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Only morons would attempt to chip away at the second amendment, refusing to understand that the second amendment in the Constitution is not even needed to remind most people that the right to bear arms is an unalienable right. So all those groups can go screw themselves.

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thank you, Manny for that very well thought out and respectful opinion
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thank you, Manny for that very well thought out and respectful opinion

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I'm just curious why the party that correctly (at times) points out the faults of the Federal Government, which now is largely controlled by big business rather than the people, wants to have that very government as the only body that has guns?
They have constantly been chipping away at gun ownership since the National Firearms Act of 1934?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
Why should the Federal Government be the only ones they wish to have Arms?
It's obvious that you refer to the Democrats today as being the "progressives" but we must remember that the term "progressive" doesn't refer to a political party but instead to a political ideology. The "progressive" is the person in America that seeks to reach the goal of the American Political Ideology established by the Declaration of Independence where it states:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
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It was the "progressives" that fought for the Bill of Rights. It was the "progressives" that fought for the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 19th Amendments as well as other amendments aimed at protecting the inalienable and civil rights of the People. It was the "progressives" that fought for the Union during the civil war that eventually brought down the invidious institution of slavery. It was the "progressive" that fought for civil rights during the 1950's and 1960's.

It has always been the "conservative" that has fought against this progress in America and it didn't matter what political hat they happened to be wearing at the time.

Not all Democrats are progressives just like not all Republicans are conservatives and is a mislabeling of both to claim that they are.
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Simple question and simple answer..

Progressives believe the Constitution is a "living" document, and subject to changing it's mean as they see fit.

Conservatives believe it is a timeless document and it means is just what it says. No changes to reflect the "times" of today.

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Simple question and simple answer..

Progressives believe the Constitution is a "living" document, and subject to changing it's mean as they see fit.

Conservatives believe it is a timeless document and it means is just what it says. No changes to reflect the "times" of today.

Regards, Kirk
So called progressives can change their opinion of the "living" document twice in the same sentence. Whatever suits their beliefs.

Example:

Voting rights are absolute and shall not be infringed. Even with something so simple as proving you are eligible. No fees, no requirement to understand even the basics. No proof of being legally eligible. No waiting period.

Second Amendment rights are a moving target subject to the whims of the progressive and may be infringed with fees, waiting periods, limitations on purchases, strict identification requirements.
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Simple question and simple answer..

Progressives believe the Constitution is a "living" document, and subject to changing it's mean as they see fit.

Conservatives believe it is a timeless document and it means is just what it says. No changes to reflect the "times" of today.

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This is, of course, nonsense.

Based upon that we can't have the US Air Force because there are no provision in the US Constitution that authorize the air force because the founders didn't envision heavier than air flight as being necessary for the defense of the nation.

We would have no immigration laws because the US Constitution doesn't even mention the word immigration and the founders believed that naturalization and immigration were two completely different issues.

The Second Amendment would only cover black powder firearms because that was all that existed when the Amendment was ratified and they didn't even imagine cartridge ammunitiontion much less fully automatic and semi-automatic firearms that use cartridge ammunition.

This belief that the Constitution can only be interpreted based upon what the original understanding and knowledge of the time is nonsense. Accommodating changes over time has always been inherent in the interpretation of the US Constitution.
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