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Old 01-05-2016, 12:28 AM
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What some say is true. Obama waits until his final year, uses some mass shootings as his bullshlt excuse, and calls for executive action on gun control, knowing fully well he will not be around to answer for his power grab.

"If it saves one life..." my ass.
Funny how none of these executive decisions woulda prevented the San Bernardino terrorist attacks.

It just shows you Obama blaming that attack on guns was an excuse to push his anti-gun laws.
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Funny how none of these executive decisions woulda prevented the San Bernardino terrorist attacks.

It just shows you Obama blaming that attack on guns was an excuse to push his anti-gun laws.
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:31 AM
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Have to be a licensed gun dealer to sell one firearm?

WTF?!

http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-e...ensed-dealers/

The Obama administration announced during a conference call with reporters Monday evening that the president’s upcoming executive order may require somebody selling even a single firearm to obtain a Federal Firearms License.

During the call White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest, White House Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett, and Attorney General Loretta Lynch explained the details of the order, which will be announced publicly by President Obama Tuesday at 11:40 a.m. The action, officials explained, would include guidance on how the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives will now determine who is “engaged in the business” of selling firearms under federal law and, therefore, who is required to obtain a license to sell firearms.

“ATF will make clear that whether you are ‘engaged in the business’ depends on the facts and circumstances,” Jarrett said. “On factors such as: whether you represent yourself as a dealer, such as making business cards or taking credit card statements. Whether you sell firearms shortly after they’re acquired or whether you buy or sell in the original packaging.”

“Numbers are relevant. The ATF and DOJ did not identify a magic number of weapons that makes you engaged in the business because that would limit their ability to bring prosecution.”

Jarret then said that selling as few as “two firearms” could require somebody to obtain a federal firearms license. However, later in the call, Attorney General Lynch revised that number down further. “It can be as few as one or two depending upon the circumstances under which the person sells the gun,” Lynch said.
Are some stupid or just pretending to be stupid?

If a person starts a commercial enterprise involved in the selling of firearms for a profit then they require an FFL licence. It's the law and the law should be enforced.

If a private party, not engaged in a commercial enterprise of profiting from the sale of firearms, sells a firearm they don't require an FFL license.

It is a "business" or not a "business" is the sole criteria being applied. A private person can sell hundreds of firearms without being an FFL if they're not profiting from the sale of the firearms.

This is nothing more than enforcement of existing laws where those commercially engaged in the selling of firearms for profit are required to be licensed by the federal government. Many private individuals have been ignoring the law and have been engaged in the commercial sale of firerarms for a profit.

Enforce the law.
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If you are not crazy and you can pass a background check then get over it. The only people I could imagine would complain are psychos who have been denied a gun.
You aren't catching the underlying action, Mikeyy.

Passing a background check has nothing to do with it. Tracking who owns what gun has everything to do with it.
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Are some stupid or just pretending to be stupid?

If a person starts a commercial enterprise involved in the selling of firearms for a profit then they require an FFL licence. It's the law and the law should be enforced.

If a private party, not engaged in a commercial enterprise of profiting from the sale of firearms, sells a firearm they don't require an FFL license.

It is a "business" or not a "business" is the sole criteria being applied. A private person can sell hundreds of firearms without being an FFL if they're not profiting from the sale of the firearms.

This is nothing more than enforcement of existing laws where those commercially engaged in the selling of firearms for profit are required to be licensed by the federal government. Many private individuals have been ignoring the law and have been engaged in the commercial sale of firerarms for a profit.

Enforce the law.
Selling a single firearm for a $1.00 profit requires a FFL? And exactly who deems that a business?

So, selling a paperback book for a profit should require a License from the Literary Society?
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Selling a single firearm for a $1.00 profit requires a FFL? And exactly who deems that a business?

So, selling a paperback book for a profit should require a License from the Literary Society?
In full support of your logic, please allow me to put a finer point on it.

I have a gun that I bought 20 years at the MSRP of 200 dollars.

Today the MSRP on the same gun is about 360 dollars. (20 years of 3% inflation)

If I sell the gun for 360 dollars; have I made a profit?

The profit factor, as a sole criteria, is far too simplistic.
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Are some stupid or just pretending to be stupid?

If a person starts a commercial enterprise involved in the selling of firearms for a profit then they require an FFL licence. It's the law and the law should be enforced.

If a private party, not engaged in a commercial enterprise of profiting from the sale of firearms, sells a firearm they don't require an FFL license.

It is a "business" or not a "business" is the sole criteria being applied. A private person can sell hundreds of firearms without being an FFL if they're not profiting from the sale of the firearms.

This is nothing more than enforcement of existing laws where those commercially engaged in the selling of firearms for profit are required to be licensed by the federal government. Many private individuals have been ignoring the law and have been engaged in the commercial sale of firerarms for a profit.

Enforce the law.
Who decides if the seller is operating a business or not? Why it is left up to the whim of the Federal bureaucrats. Of course just like the IRS we can have total trust in the impartiality of the bureaucrats.

Do sellers submit prospective sales for a dispensation from the Federal bureaucracy? Or, are sellers required to report sales after the fact and hope for the best? Either way bureaucrats will have to hang on to transaction information creating a defacto gun registry.

Yep, rationing law abiding citizens second amendment rights by imperial decree is a real advance for freedom.
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If you really believe that I laugh in your general direction.
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You aren't catching the underlying action, Mikeyy.

Passing a background check has nothing to do with it. Tracking who owns what gun has everything to do with it.
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If you really believe that I laugh in your general direction.
You don't mind if I fart in your general direction, eh? The point of all this government bullshlt is to control people. It has not a thing to do with "saving even one life".
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Selling a single firearm for a $1.00 profit requires a FFL? And exactly who deems that a business?

So, selling a paperback book for a profit should require a License from the Literary Society?
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