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Old 01-05-2016, 02:05 PM
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No more doctor-patient privacy under Obama's new anti-gun executive decisions. Yay!

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...illness-217340

Delivering on its promise to deliver "common sense" gun control, the Obama administration on Monday finalized a rule that enables health care providers to report the names of mentally ill patients to an FBI firearms background check system.

The action was one of a series of steps that President Barack Obama had called for in January 2013 in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shootings to curb gun violence, but the rule was not published until today.

While the 1993 Brady law prohibits gun ownership by individuals who have been involuntarily committed, found incompetent to stand trial or otherwise deemed by a court to be a danger to themselves or others, federal health care privacy rules prohibited doctors and other providers from sharing information without the consent of their patients.

Under the rule, which takes effect next month, for the first time health providers can disclose the information to the background check system without legal repercussions.

“The disclosure is restricted to limited demographic and certain other information needed for NICS purposes,” the rule states. Disclosure of diagnostic or clinical information is prohibited.

Paul Gionfriddo, chief executive of the mental health rights advocate Mental Health America, said he believes the White House strikes the right balance between the need to have this information shared with the FBI’s background check system and protecting individuals’ privacy.

Current law allows HIPAA exclusions for law enforcement purposes, but it's a broad exclusion.

“That could be a barn door opened quite wide if an administration really wanted to open it, and they didn’t,” Gionfriddo said. “The administration has taken great pain to try to clarify that there is very limited information that would be reported only within a very limited group.”

Since the Newtown shootings, the number of mental health records submitted to the FBI system has tripled to more than 3 million records, according to an analysis by Everytown for Gun Safety, a group promoting an end to gun violence. The FBI system resulted in more than 6,000 denials of firearm purchases because of mental health criteria.

Praise the Lord in all His mercy. This is one thing I have been praying for.
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Praise the Lord in all His mercy. This is one thing I have been praying for.
You have been praying for an unconstitutional executive order that will do nothing to prevent violent crime?

Seems like an odd thing to pray for, but to each his own.
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Praise the Lord in all His mercy. This is one thing I have been praying for.
Did anybody mention the loose cannons out there who will not divulge to their quacks any mental problems they may have lurking in their heads, for fear of tattletales?

I can see them now:

"Doc, you gotta help me! I have the urge to kill a few dirt bags out there, so have my weapons confiscated! WAAAH!"
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:48 PM
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You have been praying for an unconstitutional executive order that will do nothing to prevent violent crime?

Seems like an odd thing to pray for, but to each his own.
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Did anybody mention the loose cannons out there who will not divulge to their quacks any mental problems they may have lurking in their heads, for fear of tattletales?

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"Doc, you gotta help me! I have the urge to kill a few dirt bags out there, so have my weapons confiscated! WAAAH!"
I have a relative with severe mental illnesses. I would never want to see them get a gun. They are fine on meds but sometimes meds wear out and new ones must be found. If not on the correct med they have delusions both visual and audio. like they may not be able to tell a shiny floor from a puddle of water. and you know how you talk to yourself in your mind? then answer sometimes also in your mind? they dont have to talk to themselves, it just happens like they did so all that is confusing. then there is intense paranoia. so they could easily act out of a real sense of fear.
and most law enforcement is aware they are that way but can only prevent gun ownership if there is a disturbance or domestic restraining order.
I would much rather have a data base where licensed sellers can pull up this info.
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I would much rather have a data base where licensed sellers can pull up this info.
How long is the guarantee on a data base regarding the sanity of some customer? I mean, any law-abiding citizen in good standing can legally buy a firearm, and snap out of control the minute he gets it ready, and blasts several people to Kingdom Come.
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I have a relative with severe mental illnesses. I would never want to see them get a gun. They are fine on meds but sometimes meds wear out and new ones must be found. If not on the correct med they have delusions both visual and audio. like they may not be able to tell a shiny floor from a puddle of water. and you know how you talk to yourself in your mind? then answer sometimes also in your mind? they dont have to talk to themselves, it just happens like they did so all that is confusing. then there is intense paranoia. so they could easily act out of a real sense of fear.
and most law enforcement is aware they are that way but can only prevent gun ownership if there is a disturbance or domestic restraining order.
I would much rather have a data base where licensed sellers can pull up this info.
How does any of that justify bypassing due process? If you have relatives that are so mentally ill they pose a danger to others then a JUDGE can declare them so and prevent them from passing a background check. A judge, not a doctor.
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How does any of that justify bypassing due process? If you have relatives that are so mentally ill they pose a danger to others then a JUDGE can declare them so and prevent them from passing a background check. A judge, not a doctor.
you would think huh? but nope not so.
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How long is the guarantee on a data base regarding the sanity of some customer? I mean, any law-abiding citizen in good standing can legally buy a firearm, and snap out of control the minute he gets it ready, and blasts several people to Kingdom Come.
you are talking about a different sort of person.
i am talking about the severely permanently ill.
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you are talking about a different sort of person.
i am talking about the severely permanently ill.

Oh yeah, you're right. You mean the sick person who has been ruled incompetent and dangerous through due process, and not by some medical or psychiatric quack.
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Could or should there be denials related to anti-depressants? There is evidence of increase violence related to taking of coming off these drugs.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/new...c-of-violence/

by Alliance for Natural Health – USA

An article in the current British Medical Journal explains why the link is stronger than previously thought. Action Alert!

ANH-USA has researched dozens of the most high-profile cases of violent crimes over the last few decades. We found that in just under half of the cases (eleven out of twenty-three), the perpetrator was documented to be taking, or had recently stopped taking, some form of antidepressant or antipsychotic medication.

In another seven cases, the killer had been on these medications earlier. We suspect that number is even higher, but the information is either not publicly available or not known.

Other publications support these findings. Mother Jones looked at all mass shootings from 1982 through 2015—seventy-two incidents altogether. Of these, more than half of the perpetrators (forty-three) had shown signs of mental illness prior to the crime. Given the propensity of conventional doctors to prescribe antidepressants and other antipsychotic drugs (more on this below), it does not seem like a large leap to assume that many of these perpetrators were taking medications.


The FDA recognizes this, and many antidepressants carry “black box warnings,” the most stringent precaution a drug label can carry before being removed from the market. Many antidepressants carry a black box warning of an increased risk of suicidal thoughts and behavior. Dr. Robert Whitaker notes that there is also a shocking risk of increased violence to others, which is not highlighted in the black box.
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