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One thing we do need to have is a long talk about gun owners rights and responsibilities. This gunslinger attitude going around really bothers me. I carry all the time, except when I am on a federal facility or drinking. It might have been legal IN FLORIDA to shoot the whacky attacker but the gun owner in this case did exactly the right thing. Did Mr Daniels have every legal (or moral) right to take the attackers life? I dont think so. Since Zimmerman most RWers insist gun owners can just pop people for anything more than harsh language, and even then, if one can prove one is skeered, in Florida I think you could make the stand your ground argument. It was Mr Daniels responsiblity NOT to shoot a man that did not threaten his life. Mr. Daniels did a fine job.

From the article. "At this moment, Clarence Daniels had every legal right to draw his gun and shoot Michael Foster. He made the conscious decision not to take Foster’s life."


"Despite behind unexpectedly attacked, Mr. Daniels kept his composure, grasped that while Foster was attacking him from behind, he wasn’t attempting to kill him, and Daniels refrained from drawing his weapon and filling Foster’s entrails full of hot lead."
A person who attacks another person violently can end up killing them without, "Trying".

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Foster grabbed Daniels from behind in a choke hold and then took him to the ground, the sheriff’s office said.
A choke hold is a lot more dangerous than many people realize and can end up killing a person even if that was not what was intended, Eric Garner anyone?

It doesn't matter if the idiot was attempting to kill him or not. If Mr. Daniels had felt he was in danger of losing his life, he would have been within his legal and moral rights to eliminate the threat. Mr. Foster is just lucky Mr. Daniels was a reasonable citizen and not an off duty police officer. Cause in the case of the latter, he probably would have ended up dead.
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Michael Foster, AKA, “Florida Man”

Oh Florida Man, what have you done now?

Michael Foster was charged with battery for attacking another customer, Clarence Daniels, at Walmart, 11110 Causeway Blvd, Brandon.

Just before noon Tuesday, Foster, 43, of Lithia, saw Daniels in the Walmart parking lot in possession of a handgun that was in a holster and under his coat, the sheriff’s office said.

Foster followed Daniels in the parking lot and into the store. While in the store, Foster attacked Daniels, 62, of Seffner, the sheriff’s office said.

Foster grabbed Daniels from behind in a choke hold and then took him to the ground, the sheriff’s office said.

While both men struggled, Foster yelled that Daniels had a gun. Daniels also yelled that he had a permit to legally carry the gun, the sheriff’s office said.

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he evidently was thinking of all the mass shootings lately and was convinced he was saving people. unfortunate set of events. I hope he gets off lightly. also this sounds a bit paranoid.
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A person who attacks another person violently can end up killing them without, "Trying".

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A choke hold is a lot more dangerous than many people realize and can end up killing a person even if that was not what was intended, Eric Garner anyone?

It doesn't matter if the idiot was attempting to kill him or not. If Mr. Daniels had felt he was in danger of losing his life, he would have been within his legal and moral rights to eliminate the threat. Mr. Foster is just lucky Mr. Daniels was a reasonable citizen and not an off duty police officer. Cause in the case of the latter, he probably would have ended up dead.
Good point, how did Foster know that Daniels was just a citizen and not some kind of law enforcement official?
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he evidently was thinking of all the mass shootings lately and was convinced he was saving people. unfortunate set of events. I hope he gets off lightly. also this sounds a bit paranoid.
Or he could be just another LW anti gun nut job who gets skeered if he gets a glimpse of a safely holstered legal self defense weapon.
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he evidently was thinking of all the mass shootings lately and was convinced he was saving people. unfortunate set of events. I hope he gets off lightly. also this sounds a bit paranoid.
If he was "thinking" he never would have attacked him in the first place.
I hope he gets the maximum sentence, he attacked a man who was doing no harm and breaking no laws.
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Good point, how did Foster know that Daniels was just a citizen and not some kind of law enforcement official?
He didn't, and he's lucky he wasn't. Cause if he had been, he probably would have ended up dead and everyone would have been on the cop's side.
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Or he could be just another LW anti gun nut job who gets skeered if he gets a glimpse of a safely holstered legal self defense weapon.
how many times do you have to be told that Democrats also hunt and carry concealed and non weapons also they collect?
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If he was "thinking" he never would have attacked him in the first place.
I hope he gets the maximum sentence, he attacked a man who was doing no harm and breaking no laws.
as in the death penalty?





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how many times do you have to be told that Democrats also hunt and carry concealed and non weapons also they collect




I'm aware that some Democrats carry and hunt. They would not be the ones I would refer to as LW anti gun nut jobs.
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I'm aware that some Democrats carry and hunt. They would not be the ones I would refer to as LW anti gun nut jobs.
actually i was thinking you were someone else. thanks
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You shoot snakes? Silly. I have walked up on cougars, bears, rattlers and coyotes. Never had a gun along and low and behold I survived. I shoot them with my phone.



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I own 80 acres of remote OZARK Mo woods. It is home to at least one bobcat, several Poisonous Copperheads, Some Rattlesnakes and we have a momma black bear less than a mile away. Coyotes roam at night. Just to make it interesting, poachers come to this remote place and sometimes a pot patch springs up spontaneously.

So my .357 Blackhawk is on my hip when at the ranch.

A few summers ago, the Connecticut grandchildren were there. When she saw that big bad gun, my granddaughter screamed in fear. It was from what she was learning in school. Big gun on a big bad man. Evil Evil Evil.

Scares the hell out of me we teach our kids these lessons.

BTW, she is now the proud owner of her own Henry lever action .22 and is a dead shot with it. When we are at the ranch, she keeps it close, handles it responsibly and safe. Still, her Connecticut mom won't let her join the rifle team.
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