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Old 06-10-2013, 02:04 AM
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Well, yeah that is the point and the difference between legal and illegal gunownership.



Well, out of those 15,000 felons how many were able to actually purchase a gun legally? Apparently the answer is zero which highly suggests that the background checks are working.
Guess how many of those "zero" did not give any information as to their firearm request to the BATF monkeys?

All entities, private or public, keep your damned noses out of a law-abiding citizen's activities!
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Texas, New Mexico, one is tax heavy the other is tax light. Both tax periodicals. Local news papers at times have exemption, but that doesn't change the fact that the first amendment IS taxed.
Interesting, I wonder if any of these have been challenged in court? Currently Illinois gun tax is being challenged in court on 2A grounds and being argued as the 2A equivilent of a poll tax. Guess we'll see.

So what is your personnal thought on this? Should gov't be burdening rights with taxes?
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Interesting, I wonder if any of these have been challenged in court? Currently Illinois gun tax is being challenged in court on 2A grounds and being argued as the 2A equivilent of a poll tax. Guess we'll see.

So what is your personnal thought on this? Should gov't be burdening rights with taxes?
The reason newspapers are taxed is because we dumbasses also allow the Hitler Youth in government, as well as the Hitler Bloombergs, to continue to infringe upon our rights.
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Well, yeah that is the point and the difference between legal and illegal gunownership.



Well, out of those 15,000 felons how many were able to actually purchase a gun legally? Apparently the answer is zero which highly suggests that the background checks are working.
Well, since you don't have the common sense of a goat let me walk it through for you.

All 15,000 were able to purchase guns. Those that really wanted one and have bad intentions got it from the black market. The only ones that may not have got one are the 44 that were prosecuted but only then if it resulted in any jail time or penalty that scared them off.

They're criminals, they find ways. Your stupid background check resulted in 15k denials with the only legal repercussions persued if they were persued of 44. The other 14,966 just moved on to the next option available.
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Well, since you don't have the common sense of a goat let me walk it through for you.
Well, you have the talking points of a sheep and goats are a lot smarter than sheep so maybe I should be walking you through it.

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All 15,000 were able to purchase guns. Those that really wanted one and have bad intentions got it from the black market. The only ones that may not have got one are the 44 that were prosecuted but only then if it resulted in any jail time or penalty that scared them off.
The ATF has limited funding and resources thanks to the NRA and probably can't afford to go after people who either lied or were turned down on their gun applications. So if those 15000 alledgedly got their guns illegally from somewhere else, then that is where the ATF should focus their attention instead chasing after paper.

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They're criminals, they find ways. Your stupid background check resulted in 15k denials with the only legal repercussions persued if they were persued of 44. The other 14,966 just moved on to the next option available.
They're not called criminals for nothing. But you want to make it easier for criminals to buy guns legally, is that right? Now that really would be stupid, wouldn't it?
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They're not called criminals for nothing. But you want to make it easier for criminals to buy guns legally, is that right? Now that really would be stupid, wouldn't it?
Well, why don't you ask Holder and Company about that?
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Well, you have the talking points of a sheep and goats are a lot smarter than sheep so maybe I should be walking you through it.
Yep, you walk me right through this lemming.

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The ATF has limited funding and resources thanks to the NRA and probably can't afford to go after people who either lied or were turned down on their gun applications. So if those 15000 alledgedly got their guns illegally from somewhere else, then that is where the ATF should focus their attention instead chasing after paper.
The NRA? WTF does the NRA have to do with anything function, performance or funding wise? The NRA is a privately funded organization that doesn't and can't interfere in any way with the enforcement of current laws. 15,000 people rejected for purchasing a weapon legally and of those 44 were prosecuted. How the f*ck is that the NRA's fault?

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They're not called criminals for nothing. But you want to make it easier for criminals to buy guns legally, is that right? Now that really would be stupid, wouldn't it?
No, I'm not for making it easier for them. However I'm not going to sit back and make it harder on legal gun purchasers to exorcise their 2A rights in an effort that doesn't hinder the illegal purchaser at all.

What is stupid is making laws to keep criminals at bay (boy, we shoulda f*cking thought of that sooner!) and when those laws don't work expand them even further so the only people effected are law abiding citizens.

You do two things with criminals. You put them in jail or you kill them. Making more dumbass laws doesn't accomplish either.
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Remember this, Moot, what Joe Biden said regarding gun laws:

"We need more gun laws because we donít have time to enforce the ones we have."
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