Kyoto Schmyoto

cnredd · #1 (**permalink**) 12-19-2007, 03:36 PM

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One would think that countries that committed to the Kyoto treaty are doing a better job of curtailing carbon emissions. One would also think that the United States, the only country that does not even intend to ratify, keeps on emitting carbon dioxide at growth levels much higher than those who signed.

And one would be wrong.

The Kyoto treaty was agreed upon in late 1997 and countries started signing and ratifying it in 1998. A list of countries and their carbon dioxide emissions due to consumption of fossil fuels is available from the U.S. government. If we look at that data and compare 2004 (latest year for which data is available) to 1997 (last year before the Kyoto treaty was signed), we find the following.

Emissions worldwide increased 18.0%.
Emissions from countries that signed the treaty increased 21.1%.
Emissions from non-signers increased 10.0%.
Emissions from the U.S. increased 6.6%.

In fact, emissions from the U.S. grew slower than those of over 75% of the countries that signed Kyoto. Below are the growth rates of carbon dioxide emissions, from 1997 to 2004, for a few selected countries, all Kyoto signers. (Remember, the comparative number for the U.S. is 6.6%.)

Maldives, 252%.
Sudan, 142%.
China, 55%.
Luxembourg, 43%
Iran, 39%.
Iceland, 29%.
Norway, 24%.
Russia, 16%.
Italy, 16%.
Finland, 15%.
Mexico, 11%.
Japan, 11%.
Canada, 8.8%.

World and U.S. opinion seems to revolve around who signed Kyoto rather than actual carbon dioxide emissions. Once again, stated intent trumps actual results. Can even the global warming believers possibly believe this treaty has anything to do with it?

Update: In response to a reader request, here is a link to the table showing increases in absolute numbers, not percentages.

It looks like it's much eaiser to holler at the US for NOT signing it then to look in the mirror and see that signing it and then refusing to adhere to is is much more damaging to the planet...

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Gordon Shumway · #2 (**permalink**) 12-19-2007, 11:06 PM

Is global warming real? Yes. What causes it? Nature. How do we fight it? You don't. How do we survive it? You learn to adapt.

Of course climate change is inevitable. It's a natural cycle that has been documented long before the alarmists got a hold of this issue. Some scientists believe it was climate change that killed the Neanderthal. If that's true; why? Oh, I don't know. Maybe their inability to adapt to it? Many scientists point to data that explains CO2 does not cause warming but rather warming causes CO2 levels to go up. Which would make sense as CO2 is a natural coolant.

Mikeyy · #3 (**permalink**) 12-20-2007, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway

Is global warming real? Yes. What causes it? Nature. How do we fight it? You don't. How do we survive it? You learn to adapt.

Of course climate change is inevitable. It's a natural cycle that has been documented long before the alarmists got a hold of this issue. Some scientists believe it was climate change that killed the Neanderthal. If that's true; why? Oh, I don't know. Maybe their inability to adapt to it? Many scientists point to data that explains CO2 does not cause warming but rather warming causes CO2 levels to go up. Which would make sense as CO2 is a natural coolant.

Wow your just like a scientist aren't you.

cnredd · #4 (**permalink**) 12-20-2007, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Wow your just like a scientist aren't you.

Scientists aren't the be-all to end-all when talking about new models...

The people who found Shoemaker-Levy 9 weren't scientists in that field...They were hobbyists...

Mikeyy · #5 (**permalink**) 12-20-2007, 03:29 AM

I stand corrected. He is a hobbyist.

Adept1 · #6 (**permalink**) 12-20-2007, 04:01 AM

Next time you hear a liberal senator talking about GW not going along with KYOTO protocols just think......The senate voted 98-0 AGAINST signing on. When was the last time the senate voted unanimously? The 2 missing votes were not present and could not vote.

P.S. Mikeyy you are right on this topic. I must congratulate you.

Mikeyy · #7 (**permalink**) 12-20-2007, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Adept1

Next time you hear a liberal senator talking about GW not going along with KYOTO protocols just think......The senate voted 98-0 AGAINST signing on. When was the last time the senate voted unanimously? The 2 missing votes were not present and could not vote.

P.S. Mikeyy you are right on this topic. I must congratulate you.

I'm sorry man. I'm just beyond the whole did we didn't we cause it argument. Or who's going to start doing things first.

My view is, I don't know what the cause or effects might be about GW. What I do know is we should leave as much of the planet intact for our children as we possibly can. The pettiness of this argument again in my view is a dodge for real action. We should raise fuel effeciency standards. We should be doing everything we can do to be good caretakers of the planet. We should be leading the world in new technologies. I just don't care who's right. It doesn't really matter. IMHO

Adept1 · #8 (**permalink**) 12-20-2007, 04:23 AM

Schmyoto is a better way to spell it and it gets underlined in red. Spellchecker is ON. Spellchecker is underlined also.

Mikeyy · #9 (**permalink**) 12-20-2007, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Adept1

Schmyoto is a better way to spell it and it gets underlined in red. Spellchecker is ON. Spellchecker is underlined also.

Thats a godsend!

cnredd · #10 (**permalink**) 12-20-2007, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Adept1

Schmyoto is a better way to spell it and it gets underlined in red. Spellchecker is ON. Spellchecker is underlined also.

It might be your browser...I tried to add a spellchecker when the forum first started, but ran into problems, so I backed out...which means there SHOULDN'T be one right now...

I'm going to mispell the word "state"...

staate

EDIT - I didn't see any spellchecker come into play...Maybe it's your browser taking over...

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