Bill Maher on Palins kids - Page 3

dga · #21 (**permalink**) 09-09-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

Why do you hate all the pretty girls?

Certainly not all pretty girls... I love me,

Idealogically Promiscuous · #22 (**permalink**) 09-09-2008, 01:25 PM

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Now that she's John McCain's vice presidential candidate, Palin's abortion policy (among others) is undergoing renewed scrutiny. The Alaska Republican has long declared herself pro-life. And her credentials on the topic make her the belle of the ball among religious conservatives. But Democrats and abortion rights advocates say her stance, specifically her unwillingness to grant her own child a choice to end a pregnancy induced by rape, is drastically at odds with public opinion -- even among many Republicans.

"This is absolutely outside the mainstream. Even in South Dakota they rejected [outlawing abortion in cases of rape] in '06 because it has gone too far and everyone can identify that in a case of rape or incest a woman should have the chance to make the decision with their family or doctor," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro Choice America. "Women voters are going to reject both her and John McCain, and I think we see it specifically because we reach out to Republicans and independent pro-choice women. They live in the suburbs and exurbs. They are very much part of the mainstream America. And woman in general will reject that ticket."

Palin makes no secret of her abortion views. A member of the group Feminists for Life, she told the Alaska Right to Life Board in 2002 that she "adamantly supported our cause since I first understood, as a child, the atrocity of abortion." In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire filled out during the 2006 gubernatorial race, Palin again stated that she is against abortion unless a doctor determined that a mother's life would end due to the pregnancy.

So now...please point me to any policy or legislation that she has advocated or supported. Her personal beliefs about abortion are not relevant to her public policy unless you can find me some overlap.

I am truly prochoice. I respect even the choice to not abort.

Now, about those policies?

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Palin On Abortion: I'd Oppose Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped

And I am not accepting Huffington Post as a source. I wouldn't accept Worldnet Daily so I don't see how you could expect me to accept the garbage that comes from HP either.

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Now I will acknowledge that talking about HER DAUGHTER invokes a completely unspecified field.
Was she talking as a MOTHER (governing her underage daughter), or a POLITICIAN (governing a city/state)?
There is reason for concern, and I expect that she will hopefully straighten things out.
However, I can't help but think that this "uncertainty" over people NOT KNOWING what she stands for is one reason she is a bad choice. I can only hope that McCain knows, although he's only met her once (in person) before selecting her...

you know, that is so funny to me. She is a mother. She has every right to influence her child's behavior. And opposition doesn't mean she is going to hog tie the girl and stow her away in a basement until she gives birth.

And as for this whole "she hasn't been vetted" argument; it's a trash argument. I have been calling Sarah Palin as the pick since a week after McCain locked up the nomination. So has Newt Gingrich, regularly...

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By the way, as has been pointed out, Palin backed abstinence-only education during her 2006 gubernatorial race. In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire, Palin gave this response to the following question:
Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

I don't back EXPLICIT sex ed programs in schools. I don't see this as a problem. And most Alaskans wouldn't back school based clinics at all. So, can you point to any funding cuts of the standard sex education programs in schools since she took office? Can you point to any boosts in funding for abstinence only programs?

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I think you're missing a bigger picture.
She HAS these positions.
She HAS NOT HAD TIME to "enforce them through her office".

Bullshit. 2 years as governor is plenty of time to start enforcing positions.

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The question of WHAT her intentions are, and what lines she does and does not draw, are VERY much up for question.

Not if you look at her record.

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Quite frankly, she doesn't have a recorded history to really call upon to judge "by her actions" what her intentions are...

Bullshit. 10+ years holding public office and you say "no record"? That's a cop out because you don't want to give up leveraging her as a prolife nazi, which is what you would have to do if you bothered to look at her record.

The transparency of you guy's desperation is highly amusing to me.

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Calling Dr Kinsey Scale...
( J/K )

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But seriously, she is hot.

She is like some dirty librarian. Grrrrrr....

dga · #23 (**permalink**) 09-09-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

Wait...what? How does "these are my personally held views but you have a right to yours" even come close to being hypocritical? Oh the smell of desperation is thick on the liberal front these days.

No, you are supposed to hear what she says, see what she does, and respect her personal choices like you would ANYONE else. But since she's got that damning little "R" beside her name, I guess she just doesn't deserve that decency, huh?

Please show me where she's pandered. I would like specific citations from speeches and or penned policies that she has enacted.

So then, you confess that her personal choices are not something you respect. Totally understood.

I have only had a chance to hear what she says, not see what she does, because she has not been around long enough. GW didn't start any wars as Governor of Texas, nor did he talk all the crap he did when he came to power.

On your final point I obviously did not make myself clear. I actually share her views on her personal choices. I am not running for office, and even in this forum, I take pains in stressing that I just don't want to see my personal views imposed on others. The fact that she has not done the same bothers me, and the reason for it is what I find hypocritical. Then again, she hasn't said much since her inaugural speech.

We reach the same point, we'll see what she brings during the next two months. If she becomes VP, we can later see who was right,

foundit66 · #24 (**permalink**) 09-09-2008, 02:48 PM

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And I am not accepting Huffington Post as a source. I wouldn't accept Worldnet Daily so I don't see how you could expect me to accept the garbage that comes from HP either.

I'm sorry, but WND is in an entirely separate category.
I can go through virtually any WND article on a gay issue and find you some lie. At least one.
I really don't know what was present in the Huffington Post that you could actually object to.

Palin DID make that comment on her daughter regarding rape.
Palin IS a member of a pro-life group.

With that said, I already pointed out that the article IS NOT claiming Palin has definitively come out and expressed desires for legal action.

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you know, that is so funny to me. She is a mother. She has every right to influence her child's behavior. And opposition doesn't mean she is going to hog tie the girl and stow her away in a basement until she gives birth.

I don't know why it's funny.
I agree whole-heartedly with what you just said.
I understand a distinction inbetween "this is what I want for my daughter" and "I think this legal policy should be applied to EVERYBODY's daughter".
At the very least, she is saying the first.
Whether or not she is saying the second is something that needs to be explicitly stated and not presumed one way or the other.

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And as for this whole "she hasn't been vetted" argument; it's a trash argument. I have been calling Sarah Palin as the pick since a week after McCain locked up the nomination. So has Newt Gingrich, regularly...

Kudos to you.
Got any lottery number recommendations?

There have been a few names bounced around by the "popular" speculation, and hers wasn't on the "obvious" short-list of the "popular" speculation.

Furthermore, there is a LOT people don't really know about her.

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I don't back EXPLICIT sex ed programs in schools. I don't see this as a problem.

If you control funding, I would see that as a problem.

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And most Alaskans wouldn't back school based clinics at all. So, can you point to any funding cuts of the standard sex education programs in schools since she took office? Can you point to any boosts in funding for abstinence only programs?
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Bullshit. 2 years as governor is plenty of time to start enforcing positions.

Seriously.
She hasn't been in office long enough to use "she didn't do *X*" as a measure to show her actual dividing lines.

Her city position? I don't know if she would have the influence to make the school board change anything.
Governor? Two years isn't that long.
In 2004, Bush came out swinging on Social Security.
How many other issues has he had that were put lower on the time-scale because he wanted to concentrate on Social Security first?
And that is NOT criticism, but rather acknowledgement that "2 years" isn't enough to definitively identify dividing lines.

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Not if you look at her record.

Why do we have to look at a "record" that is for all intents and purposes limited to two years?
WHY are we not looking at DIRECT QUOTES.

The funny thing about this is that the "pro-life" side of this is LOVING her because of her abortion stance.
Are you telling us that they are all suckers and she will not give them what they are hoping for?

There is a reason WHY they are hoping for change on the abortion front.
And don't get me wrong. I am NOT saying that I KNOW she will lead to rewrite abortion law.
If I gave that implication, let me correct it.
What I am saying is that I DO NOT KNOW, and there isn't enough information out there.

Which is why I REALLY want her to get some SERIOUS interviews.
Cause quite frankly, if you had a quote which said "I am Mrs Palin and I am against abortion but I don't want the government to interfere with a woman's right to choose", I think you would have given it to me by now.
(Or, you're about to...

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Bullshit. 10+ years holding public office and you say "no record"? That's a cop out because you don't want to give up leveraging her as a prolife nazi, which is what you would have to do if you bothered to look at her record.

I have NOT leveraged her as a "prolife nazi".
I thought I made it clear that I DO NOT KNOW if she was giving a "mother's" position, or a "politician's" position for legislative change.

And don't give me "10+ years", cause she was NOT holding an office for 10 years which would allow her to CHANGE abortion law.
Being mayor does NOT allow you to rewrite abortion law.

I guess to make a long story short, I really don't know where she stands on these positions regarding legislative influence / action.
Her existing statements give reason for pause. I don't think she's been in a position to IMPLEMENT some of the potential / hypothetical changes to really declare that "she didn't do it" means "she wouldn't do it".
I am really looking forward to some serious interviews with her. i.e. Nothing on "flag pins".

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She is like some dirty librarian. Grrrrrr....

While I am totally with you on her looks, if we keep talking about her like this people will start questioning our sexuality...

faithful_servant · #25 (**permalink**) 09-09-2008, 03:02 PM

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I have to ask... what does that have to do with anything? Next thing you know, I'll be accused of hating her because I'm jealous she's prettier than me,

. That of course was a hypothetical,

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pics???

faithful_servant · #26 (**permalink**) 09-09-2008, 03:09 PM

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Okay. Let's get to the truth of the matter.
She's alive, she can speak, and she's willing to put an "(R)" next to the name. That's why YOU support her.
If Lassie could orate and pledge Republican, you would give McCain support for having her up on the stage with him.

No, stick for brains, I support her mostly because she's shown that she's willing to fight AGAINST the Republicans. Because she's put what's right ahead of party politics. Because she's a working class person with a brain and has proven that she can use it. She's an "everywoman", but is unconvential at the same time. She's not a part of the "good ol' boys" network. She's come to the place where she is at through her own efforts and abilities and hasn't been spoonfed her position by her party. I admire her stand on abortion and her willingness to act on that stand.

dga · #27 (**permalink**) 09-09-2008, 03:42 PM

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pics???

This is me....

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Idealogically Promiscuous · #28 (**permalink**) 09-09-2008, 03:49 PM

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Alright. Post some link to her record. I will be glad to read it. I don't get to watch (actually that's not true I wouldn't watch even if I was home) much TV except CSpan when we are not on the road. I look up what I can on the internet and occasionally pass a TV in a truck stop that usually has FOX news on.
When I do get an e-mail or see a claim on the web, I try to look up the subject in a reputable paper or other source. Also I check stuff on Snopes and I read a lot of news letters and chat on other sites unrelated in their main intent to politics.
I did the same thing with Obama and all the stuff put out there on him.
I am a thinking concerned voter and I am an Independent. Plus I've lived long enough to know I better check things out for myself after I view the add campaign.

P.S. Thank you for spelling the word bologna correctly. Does my heart good (pet peeve

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Official Governor's Office Website for Alaska: You might find especially interesting the Administrative Orders page. Also the management and budget page.

Her Bio from the Governors Association Website
(also with links to the state government page).

That's just to get you started.