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Old 07-30-2019, 09:23 PM
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He sure does like telling Americans to leave for disagreeing with him or doing something triggers him.

'member when Republicans would endlessly whine about how divisive Obama was? Good times lol.
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He sure does like telling Americans to leave for disagreeing with him or doing something triggers him.

'member when Republicans would endlessly whine about how divisive Obama was? Good times lol.
Him? Like Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe who proclaimed there was no place in the country for protesters against the removal of a civil war statue. The mayor of Charlottesville said the same thing. Triggered indeed.
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You seem to be intentionally ignoring the rest of my paragraphs so your not getting the complete thoughts.

But... in short... specific expressions of patriotism is NOT something that an employer should compel. Just like Prayer.
Then again, form your own football league and you decide what is important. However, the NFL has figured out that most of their audience are patriotic Americans that do not tolerate disrespect for the flag or the anthem. Therefore, they have made a policy to ensure that their product conforms with the sensibilities of their audience, i.e. their customers.

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But one of my points from when all this began is that the NFL controls ALL the cameras on the field. If they really don't want to show their customers certain players, or their actions, all they have to do is point the camera at the FLAG. Isn't that what everyone is supposed to be in reverence of anyway during the anthem? Rather than having their customers eyes roam around the field and at the players during the oh so sacred moments of honor to "the troops" (but not freedom of expression, or the other constitutional concepts or American Ideals).
Sure, but unfortunately they let this get to the point where now people are curious as to the actions of those millionaires on the field showing disrespect to the country that has provided them with the opportunity to become millionaires by playing a game.

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Fines and banning from the field are bogus punitive actions that are hypocritical of the so called reverence due the flag and anthem.
Fines and bans are ways to enforce their policies just as they are when players abuse drugs or PED's. Without enforcement mechanisms, what are the incentives for players to follow the rules?

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And the opinion that U.S. citizens should "leave the country" over it is hypocritical on another level.
I missed where this is part of this discussion. However I don't think anyone is proposing that they leave the country over this unless you are referring to the pretty common stance that patriots for years have frequently stated "America, love or leave it". That is something for another thread.
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He sure does like telling Americans to leave for disagreeing with him or doing something triggers him.
I don't recall ANYONE on the right suggesting that fellow Americans should leave the country because they don't agree with them. However I have seen radicals on the left physically attack anyone with whom they disagree. Maybe you are conflating the two.

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'member when Republicans would endlessly whine about how divisive Obama was? Good times lol.
I could give many examples of Obama being divisive, but that would derail the thread.
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Then again, form your own football league and you decide what is important. However, the NFL has figured out that most of their audience are patriotic Americans that do not tolerate disrespect for the flag or the anthem. Therefore, they have made a policy to ensure that their product conforms with the sensibilities of their audience, i.e. their customers.

Sure, but unfortunately they let this get to the point where now people are curious as to the actions of those millionaires on the field showing disrespect to the country that has provided them with the opportunity to become millionaires by playing a game.
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I missed where this is part of this discussion. However I don't think anyone is proposing that they leave the country over this unless you are referring to the pretty common stance that patriots for years have frequently stated "America, love or leave it". That is something for another thread.
President Trump responded with support for the NFL’s decision to ban kneeling, saying on Fox & Friends that “I don’t think people should be staying in the locker rooms, but still I think it’s good. You have to stand proudly for the national anthem or you shouldn’t be playing, you shouldn’t be there. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the country.”
If president Obama said that about you.
Would you feel like it's just some off the cuff sentiment that you should not take seriously?
"You shouldn’t have job, you shouldn’t be there. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the country."

But sure, Ok, maybe Trump didn't really mean it, he doesn't really feel that strongly about the flag, anthem and such it's just random BS talk, so It's Ok. right?
Or Trump, Did mean it, it really shows how much he loves America, the flag and the anthem, and speaking as President of the USA someone should heed his words and should make his sentiments reality.
Right?

which is it?
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President Trump responded with support for the NFL’s decision to ban kneeling, saying on Fox & Friends that “I don’t think people should be staying in the locker rooms, but still I think it’s good. You have to stand proudly for the national anthem or you shouldn’t be playing, you shouldn’t be there. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the country.”
If president Obama said that about you.
Would you feel like it's just some off the cuff sentiment that you should not take seriously?
"You shouldn’t have job, you shouldn’t be there. Maybe you shouldn’t be in the country."

But sure, Ok, maybe Trump didn't really mean it, he doesn't really feel that strongly about the flag, anthem and such it's just random BS talk, so It's Ok. right?
Or Trump, Did mean it, it really shows how much he loves America, the flag and the anthem, and speaking as President of the USA someone should heed his words and should make his sentiments reality.
Right?

which is it?
it could be said that trump acted stupidly.
but then again some probably think the nfl acted stupidly.
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He sure does like telling Americans to leave for disagreeing with him or doing something triggers him.

'member when Republicans would endlessly whine about how divisive Obama was? Good times lol.
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Him? Like Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe who proclaimed there was no place in the country for protesters against the removal of a civil war statue. The mayor of Charlottesville said the same thing. Triggered indeed.
I remember when the Democrat governor of New York said that Conservatives are not welcome in the state...That was 2014...Well into Obama's second term...
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I remember when the Democrat governor of New York said that Conservatives are not welcome in the state...That was 2014...Well into Obama's second term...
Kinda weak correlation there....

That wasn't Obama saying that, he would never be that stupid.....

But, that has never held Trump back.....

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