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Old 07-30-2019, 06:42 AM
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Paintings of George Washington are being removed from schools actually name "George Washington"...

Thomas Jefferson's name is being removed because he had slaves...

Some people are offended by actual American flags...One cable news network compared it to the Nazi swastika...

Just two weeks ago protesters removed the American flag from a Colorado detention Center and raised the flag of Mexico

It doesn't matter who's president or what party controls government...These are examples of American hatred IRRELEVANT of the political climate, and won't be changed with the changing of who is in office...
I don't condone any of that Millennial stupidity.....Trying to wipe away American history by removing certain aspects is childish behavior regardless of political affiliations….

We share common ground....
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Old 07-30-2019, 06:49 AM
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This is not a uniform Issue.
Look, the last time I was forced to stand for the pledge and anthem --or else face consequences--- was in middle school.
The only other employer i know of that lays negative consequences for not acting in a certain way at the anthem and flag are the Armed Forces.
Where they can demand you to do nearly anything.
Private employers do have that kind of authority.

Private employers... who love America... should know that not all of their employees may want to share the same type patriotic expressions they do.
To me it's similar to asking employees to Pray before work.
Sure you can ask, But it's crazy to pretend that everyone will do it sincerely, or do it all ...and some may even make some silent protest.

Expressions of patriotism is not something that should be DEMANDED... or ELSE.
It's odd to me that some in America blindly expect everyone to express UNRESERVED Reverence of all thing America. And are shocked and incensed when some folks don't.
We don't even expect people to have that kind of reverence for God.
And we don't... or shouldn't... threaten them with fines, firing or
be of the "opinion" that they should be DEPORTED if they don't.
How is it that the offense of kneeling at the American Anthem ranks Higher than the daily various offensives against God himself?

Sorry, I just don't get the HYPE, and Offense of all these well meaning "Freedom lovin" Americans who "Love America" the right way but want to Deport Americans!?:sheesh
I only made it to your 2nd paragraph. You seem to be intentionally ignoring the issue here.

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The only other employer i know of that lays negative consequences for not acting in a certain way at the anthem and flag are the Armed Forces.
And the NFL. So what? They are the employer and they require their employees (players) to act in a respectful manner as part of their job requirement. WHY? Probably because they want to appeal to the largest audience possible that will spend their money on the NFL and their products. You mom and pop hot dog stand down the street may not require it, but they are serving a different market.

If you or I go work for a company, we will be expected to follow their rules regarding our conduct while on the job and any time we represent ourselves as employees of the company. For example, if I get on Facebook and tout my employment with my employer and then make disparaging and crude comments about public figures or other entities, I can be fired for that. I understand that and conduct myself accordingly. If I feel passionate enough to do these things, I have a decision to make, keep my job or follow my passion.

Well the NFL has their rules, like them or not. But they are the ones paying the bills and they can implement any policy they like regarding the actions of players while on the field or off. If the players care more about their activism than their paycheck, then they too have a decision to make.

As for everyone else that has a problem with it, either boycott the NFL and let them know how you feel or start your own football league and make your own rules.
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I only made it to your 2nd paragraph. You seem to be intentionally ignoring the issue here.



And the NFL. So what? They are the employer and they require their employees (players) to act in a respectful manner as part of their job requirement. WHY? Probably because they want to appeal to the largest audience possible that will spend their money on the NFL and their products. You mom and pop hot dog stand down the street may not require it, but they are serving a different market.

If you or I go work for a company, we will be expected to follow their rules regarding our conduct while on the job and any time we represent ourselves as employees of the company. For example, if I get on Facebook and tout my employment with my employer and then make disparaging and crude comments about public figures or other entities, I can be fired for that. I understand that and conduct myself accordingly. If I feel passionate enough to do these things, I have a decision to make, keep my job or follow my passion.

Well the NFL has their rules, like them or not. But they are the ones paying the bills and they can implement any policy they like regarding the actions of players while on the field or off. If the players care more about their activism than their paycheck, then they too have a decision to make.

As for everyone else that has a problem with it, either boycott the NFL and let them know how you feel or start your own football league and make your own rules.
The bolded part. People don't seem to comprehend that an employee's actions, while on company time, AND beyond, are a reflection on the company. There fore the company has the right to require a certain level of decorum from employees.

We've had that issue with social media... employees sign an acknowledgement of the company's rules regarding it. We've had to terminate several for violating them. The NFL is no different.
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Old 07-30-2019, 01:36 PM
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OK, So how do you know the difference?
Do you guys make that determination,
or does the person making the protest?
Case-by-case basis....

If someone taking a knee to protest abortion, that would be MUCH different than someone talking a knee to protest law enforcement IF you understand it's being done by someone who wears Fidel Castro shirts, socks that show police as pigs, and donated thousands to a group honoring a cop killer

Looking at a protest in a vacuum doesn't get to the bottom of the story...

Also, in THIS case, there's another aspect...People watch sports, concerts, and other forms of entertainment to GET AWAY from issues such as politics...

I wrote on this when it started...

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Here's the problem...and it's even if you AGREE with the players...

Most people come home from a hard day's work, kiss the spouse, hug their kids and maybe help them with their homework, have a nice meal, and then settle down to some entertainment to ESCAPE from the politics, punditry and activism that's shoved down their throat on a daily basis... They don't WANT to have to think about this stuff...It means little to them and they just want to watch the damn game!!!!...

There's a quote from Erick Erickson, who runs the website "redstate", about the what goes on culturally...

"The Left will not let you stay on the sidelines. You will be MADE to care."

...and that's what going on with these anthem boycotts....

You want to get AWAY from the "daily grind" and sit back with a beer and NOT have to form opinions and have discussions on subjects you care little about and wished weren't discussed so you can just enjoy the on-field action?

Well "F*ck you!! Were NOT going to let you do that!"...

And the public is responding to that by not bothering to watch...There are so many more options to "escape" from the "daily grind" that WON'T force people to "care", and that's exactly what's happening...and it won't stop until the NFL decides to end these ideology stunts...
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This is not a uniform Issue.
Look, the last time I was forced to stand for the pledge and anthem --or else face consequences--- was in middle school.
The only other employer i know of that lays negative consequences for not acting in a certain way at the anthem and flag are the Armed Forces.
Where they can demand you to do nearly anything.
Private employers do have that kind of authority.

Private employers... who love America... should know that not all of their employees may want to share the same type patriotic expressions they do.
To me it's similar to asking employees to Pray before work.
Sure you can ask, But it's crazy to pretend that everyone will do it sincerely, or do it all ...and some may even make some silent protest.

Expressions of patriotism is not something that should be DEMANDED... or ELSE.
It's odd to me that some in America blindly expect everyone to express UNRESERVED Reverence of all thing America. And are shocked and incensed when some folks don't.
We don't even expect people to have that kind of reverence for God.
And we don't... or shouldn't... threaten them with fines, firing or
be of the "opinion" that they should be DEPORTED if they don't.
How is it that the offense of kneeling at the American Anthem ranks Higher than the daily various offensives against God himself?

Sorry, I just don't get the HYPE, and Offense of all these well meaning "Freedom lovin" Americans who "Love America" the right way but want to Deport Americans!?:sheesh
Every company has rules and codes of conduct. Break them, get disciplined or get fired. Doesn't matter if it's about the flag or picking your nose in front of the potato fryer.
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I only made it to your 2nd paragraph. You seem to be intentionally ignoring the issue here.
You seem to be intentionally ignoring the rest of my paragraphs so your not getting the complete thoughts.

But... in short... specific expressions of patriotism is NOT something that an employer should compel. Just like Prayer.

But one of my points from when all this began is that the NFL controls ALL the cameras on the field. If they really don't want to show their customers certain players, or their actions, all they have to do is point the camera at the FLAG. Isn't that what everyone is supposed to be in reverence of anyway during the anthem? Rather than having their customers eyes roam around the field and at the players during the oh so sacred moments of honor to "the troops" (but not freedom of expression, or the other constitutional concepts or American Ideals).

Fines and banning from the field are bogus punitive actions that are hypocritical of the so called reverence due the flag and anthem.
And the opinion that U.S. citizens should "leave the country" over it is hypocritical on another level.
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Typical dumb-ass Donald.....

Anti- 1st Amendment rights...…

He's such an embarrassing boob......
What's anti first amendment? President Trump can say what he said.

Most people recognize the right of the players if the boss says so. There is no right to an audience.
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What's anti first amendment? President Trump can say what he said.

Most people recognize the right of the players if the boss says so. There is no right to an audience.
As president Trump should measure his words.
It's one thing if your crank neighbor says "you should leave the country"
It's something entirely different when the president of the U.S. says it.

That's not a hard concept to grasp... if you're objective.
When Obama just said that "some folks Cling to their Guns and Bibles" the right got pissy.
If Obama said that some group of right wingers should just leave the country I can't imagine what kind of volcanic mind blowing lava would have flowed in response.

Why is it that Trump gets a Slap on the back of approval from the right for saying crazy stupid crap that threatens and alienates a portion of Americans Jim?

And BTW, with the PRESIDENT of the U.S.A. ignoring, mocking and attacking the protest and the protesters what message does that send to the law enforcement people about how much concern they should have for concept of the protest and those Americans? Does it encourage them to treat minorities fairly... or maybe the opposite?
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As president Trump should measure his words.
It's one thing if your crank neighbor says "you should leave the country"
It's something entirely different when the president of the U.S. says it.

That's not a hard concept to grasp... if you're objective.
When Obama just said that "some folks Cling to their Guns and Bibles" the right got pissy.
If Obama said that some group of right wingers should just leave the country I can't imagine what kind of volcanic mind blowing lava would have flowed in response.

Why is it that Trump gets a Slap on the back of approval from the right for saying crazy stupid crap that threatens and alienates a portion of Americans Jim?
After yet another careful reading of the Constitution including the presidential
requirements, I found nothing to suggest that Presidents give up their first amendment rights.

I also found nothing about being pissy. So you and I are both good to go.
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He sure does like telling Americans to leave for disagreeing with him or doing something triggers him.

'member when Republicans would endlessly whine about how divisive Obama was? Good times lol.
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