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Old 11-29-2007, 01:35 AM
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This is a forum that's less than two months old...Not all topics are the concern of a vast majority nor will strike a chord with any one element...

And I'm not just gonna sit here and post what everyone else wants due to mob rule until more members from "my side" start showing up...:
I guess that you missed my point. I encourage you to post whatever it is you want to post. I want you to post whatever it is that you want to post for the same reason I want any question to be asked of the candidates. I think that more questions (as well as the more posts), the better the debate and thus the better informed the population. I don't like the concept of censoring the debate based upon what we or they (the candidates) want to hear. I think that all questions should be able to be presented.

I don't care who came up with the question about DADT. It could be Hillary herself for as far as I care, it's the answer to the question that I'm more interested in as we all should be. The time spent on the question is minimal and there are other forums that will provide the candidates to be as partisan as they want. This debate wasn't about that. From the start, this debate was one about any question goes...

You don't get hacked off (to my knowledge) when someone opens a thread you disagree with. I don't see the difference between that and the issue of the question put to the candidates. Who cares really? You can either agree with it or disagree with it, but the freedom of asking the question is what sparks debate and thought.
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I guess that you missed my point. I encourage you to post whatever it is you want to post. I want you to post whatever it is that you want to post for the same reason I want any question to be asked of the candidates. I think that more questions (as well as the more posts), the better the debate and thus the better informed the population. I don't like the concept of censoring the debate based upon what we or they (the candidates) want to hear. I think that all questions should be able to be presented.

I don't care who came up with the question about DADT. It could be Hillary herself for as far as I care, it's the answer to the question that I'm more interested in as we all should be. The time spent on the question is minimal and there are other forums that will provide the candidates to be as partisan as they want. This debate wasn't about that. From the start, this debate was one about any question goes...

You don't get hacked off (to my knowledge) when someone opens a thread you disagree with. I don't see the difference between that and the issue of the question put to the candidates. Who cares really? You can either agree with it or disagree with it, but the freedom of asking the question is what sparks debate and thought.
Nope...CNN is FRAMING the debate to topics which are more relevant to Democratic themes and not Republican themes...

And guess what?...They just keep coming...

Check it out...

Here's David Cerone...He's the guy that asked the ultra-stupid question of whether or not candidates would accept support from log cabin Republicans...because You know...Iran ain't important enough to discuss right now...


And who's this David Cercone?...

We have to go to BARACK OBAMA'S WEBSITE TO FIND OUT...

Think that's it?...Nope...The CNN is definitely going green...here's another plant...

Here's "Journey" from Arlington, Texas...


Now here's her response to the question she posted later...

With her JOHN EDWARDS '08 shirt on...





But don't worry...these are all just coincidences and there were only 4 questions asked from actual Republicans...

BTW - Do you think CNN is so good at factchecking that they couldn't LOOK UP HER PROFILE ON YOUTUBE and see the quote "I support John Edwards. Will You?" with a link to Edwards' website and a thumbnail image with "JOHN EDWARDS '08" on it?...:
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For those who don't understand the problem this causes, this comment I've found hits it right on the head...

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I was absolutely disgusted with what I saw tonight from CNN. Thousands of people submitted questions for this debate; yet, the questions they chose only served to reinforce the stereotype that the average Republican voter is a confederate-flag-waving, gun-toting, bible-brandishing conspiracy theorist! There were staggeringly few questions on National Security, and the few that were asked include some of the substanceless "gotcha" questions which were designed for no other purpose than to induce gaffes. What bothers me most is that CNN's embarassing performance was not out of malice; they genuinely believe that this is what Republicans are like and that these ridiculous questions are what Republican voters want to hear. A bad night for CNN and for the American media generally.
That, my friends, is EXACTLY what I mean by "framing the debate"...
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I'm still waiting for the "You should care because..." portion of this analysis. We know that CNN is going to frame the debate just as Fox is going to frame theirs. It's what the media does. I still don't think that we have a justification for the name of this thread because we don't have evidence that it's a Hilliary plant.

Sure... label CNN all you want, but that changes little about the situation as a whole. People are going to believe what they believe and these debates are for little more than the moderates. Questions are asked to either turn on or off the moderates. Simple as that. We are just now using the same tactics that the Republicans have been using on their radio shows and over on FOX and now we are the bad guys? please> no one is interested in that
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I'm still waiting for the "You should care because..." portion of this analysis. We know that CNN is going to frame the debate just as Fox is going to frame theirs. It's what the media does. I still don't think that we have a justification for the name of this thread because we don't have evidence that it's a Hilliary plant.

Sure... label CNN all you want, but that changes little about the situation as a whole. People are going to believe what they believe and these debates are for little more than the moderates. Questions are asked to either turn on or off the moderates. Simple as that. We are just now using the same tactics that the Republicans have been using on their radio shows and over on FOX and now we are the bad guys? please> no one is interested in that
Well YOU don't care because YOU are falsely being framed by being forced to answer question in which the correct answer should've be...

"That's a bullshit question CNN and we're all considerably offended by you sending forth questions about log cabin Republicans and confederate flags and hypothetical questions abour Roe Vs. wade that don't mean shit right now but are meant to make people say "A-ha!" instead of asking questions that are actually IMPORTANT to most Reublican undecided voters that were hoping to get answrers to questions most Republicans would CARE ABOUT."...

Why not just ask "Yes or NO?...Do you kill people often?"...

The fact that you say "We are just now using the same tactics that the Republicans have been using"...is pure unadulterated bullshit...

Care to cite examples where a Republican POSED to be a Democrat (or at least, objective) during a debate to get a question that is NOT a Democratic themed question asked?...
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AND another one...

Funny...

A Senator gets caught doing a wide stance in a bathroom and the Democrats (and media) feel the need to put it on the front page for two weeks, but when a news outlet is intentionally framing a debate on who will have the most important job in the world, the only response I get so far is a yawn...

Telling...

Anyway...

If anyone saw the debate, you'll remember the question about China and the lead in toys issue...

Here it is...


And that's from Leeann Anderson, who JUST HAPPENS to be the assistant to the president of the Steelworkers of America union that already decide their votes should go to...(drumroll please)...

John Edwards!!!...

They even have a nice little picture of Edwards on their YouTube page where Leeann Anderson has her video...

For those of you counting at home, that's 1 person who campaigns for a Hillary Clinton program...1 person who throws his support publicly to Barack Obama...1 person who throws her support to John Edwards publicly in her YouTube profile...and 1 person who just happens to be the assistant to the president of the union that throws their support to Edwards...

All asking questions to Republican candidates...

But go on thinking nothing's up and everything's A-OK...No framing by CNN whatsoever...:

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it's not whether or not anyone cares...
in my case...& probably some others (I'm just guessing here)...I'm just not surprised.
I read these posts & just shrug it off & say --- it figures...
I have said many times that every news/media outlet has an opinion that they let out in varying degrees. Even on what's considered front page news rather than an op-ed piece. It's not surprising that when hosting a debate that they would "frame" the debate. Is it to make their candidate look good or to make other candidates look bad; in either party? I'm guessing all the networks would like to get rid of the lower tier candidates as they muddy up the debate & don't allow the more serious candidates to really have it out with each other (clearly some of the candidates feel that way). Nor does it allow them to focus on making their candidate look good without it being obvious. cnredd has simply pointed out what some of us already figured was the case. No sense in piling on.
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How in the world can CNN claim ignorance? Their team selected the pool of questions and the airing of the debate.I don't like the YouTube debate format regardless of what network airs it. Why?..because it's a canned debate!

When questions are not spontaneous and someone gets to pick what questions are aired,the opportunity for framing the debate rears it's ugly head. The concept of permitting questions from John Doe is a great idea but CNN and YouTube squander the faith that the people place in open debate. Shame on you CNN and YouTube,you have made an already skeptical public even less trusting of the media that should present the facts and not confirm that their existing fears and mistrust of the media were justified.

In my opinion,CNN YouTube debates = SPAM In A Can..
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How in the world can CNN claim ignorance? Their team selected the pool of questions and the airing of the debate.I don't like the YouTube debate format regardless of what network airs it. Why?..because it's a canned debate!

When questions are not spontaneous and someone gets to pick what questions are aired,the opportunity for framing the debate rears it's ugly head. The concept of permitting questions from John Doe is a great idea but CNN and YouTube squander the faith that the people place in open debate. Shame on you CNN and YouTube,you have made an already skeptical public even less trusting of the media that should present the facts and not confirm that their existing fears and mistrust of the media were justified.

In my opinion,CNN YouTube debates = SPAM In A Can..
CNN can NOT claim ignorance...

First, claiming ignorance shows they have no credibility...

Second...ready for this?...

Brig. Gen. Kerr has previously been a GUEST on CNN!!!!...

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BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: It's been 10 years since don't ask, don't tell became law for gays in the military, a controversial policy that has a number of critics. And among them, three high ranking officers now retired and now revealing that they are gay.

Why, then, did these military men come out now?

Retired Brigadier General Keith Kerr is live in San Francisco. Retired Rear Admiral Alan Steinman is in Dupont, Washington. Retired Brigadier General Virgil Richard is with us today from Austin, Texas.

And gentlemen, good morning to you.

We want to start with General Kerr in San Francisco.

Why now?

BRIG. GEN. KEITH KERR (RET.), U.S. ARMY: Good morning.

It's the 10th anniversary of don't ask, don't tell and the three of us think that don't ask, don't tell is not working. It prohibits and discourages loyal Americans who want to serve their country from doing so, because they have to lie and conceal their personal life. And Americans who are interested in serving their country should be given the opportunity to do so.
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CNN can NOT claim ignorance...

First, claiming ignorance shows they have no credibility...

Second...ready for this?...

Brig. Gen. Kerr has previously been a GUEST on CNN!!!!...
Agreed...and in my view,CNN has lost what "little" credibility they had. I'm also aware that Kerr was previously a guest on CNN. I hope CNN's feet are held to the fire on this fiasco. Their errors in vetting and shaping this debate are inexcusable..
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