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Old 01-20-2022, 03:23 PM
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CS's words, "By some estimates," are weaselly--to say the least. (Whose estimates? And using what methodology, anyway?)

And those about whom he shows concern--"primarily elderly, Black and Hispanic poor people"--are, of course, Democratic client groups. (I wonder if that is mere coincidence?)
My concern is with the people who would be disenfranchised by draconian registration and ID laws. The fact that those people are overwhelmingly from groups that have historically voted for Democrats is the very reason that Republican state legislators are adopting the rules in the first place.
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My concern is with the people who would be disenfranchised by draconian registration and ID laws. The fact that those people are overwhelmingly from groups that have historically voted for Democrats is the very reason that Republican state legislators are adopting the rules in the first place.
New Polling: Bipartisan support for photo ID laws and voting safeguards grows

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The American public continues to back election reforms that make it easy to vote and hard to cheat. According to a new HEP Action (HEPA) poll, 81% of voters back laws requiring every voter to show a photo ID when they vote. In fact, despite six months of concerted effort by progressives to turn public opinion away from voter ID and other election safeguards, public support for photo ID laws is higher today than it was when HEPA asked voters the same question in March. In fact, support for photo ID laws among Democrats rose by 4 points, Independents by 7 points, and support among Black voters rose 13 points.

The public consensus on voting reform stands in stark contrast to the renewed progressive demands for Congress to eliminate safeguards like voter ID laws and protections for mail-in ballots nationwide. Only 22% of voters want to eliminate ballot protections; 64% want election reform to focus on building confidence by adding safeguards to elections. The left’s signature legislation, the“For the People Act” (HR 1) and the “John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act” (HR 4), both embrace policies that bipartisan majorities of Americans reject. Meanwhile, 56% of voters worry that progressives’ strategy to build support for them with hyperbolic claims of “Jim Crow” voter suppression are leading voters to doubt the legitimacy of future elections.
This reminds of how elitist, white, limousine Liberals try to reframe Hispanics as "Latinx"...The Hispanic crowd overwhelmingly rejects it...

From last month...

Latinos reject ‘Latinx’ — and progressives’ paternal politics

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A Politico poll found that only 2 percent of Hispanics prefer the term Latinx, while 68 percent opt for Hispanic and 21 percent favor Latino or Latina. Forty percent said that they find Latinx offensive and 30 percent that they are less likely to support a politician or group using the term.
What Constant is portraying, when it comes to minority voting, is the very same Paternalism....Coming down from their Ivory Tower to tell a voting bloc or group of people they're too stupid to do things a certain way, so the way must be made easier...and by gosh; they're just the people to do it for them...

"Hey black people! Just sit down and let us smarter people do all of the work so we can prevent rules that you can't comprehend! Remember! It's for your OWN GOOD!!!"...

It's QUITE condescending...
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What Constant is portraying, when it comes to minority voting, is the very same Paternalism....Coming down from their Ivory Tower to tell a voting bloc or group of people they're too stupid to do things a certain way, so the way must be made easier...and by gosh; they're just the people to do it for them...

"Hey black people! Just sit down and let us smarter people do all of the work so we can prevent rules that you can't comprehend! Remember! It's for your OWN GOOD!!!"...

It's QUITE condescending...
I guess you missed the link I posted earlier in this discussion from the federal court decision that threw out the North Carolina ID law. In that case, the judge found direct evidence that the North Carolina Republican legislators specifically designed the law to target African Americans to make it harder for them to vote. I'm not making any assumptions about any block of voters. I'm just telling you what Republicans are actually doing.
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I'm just telling you what Republicans are actually doing.
OOH! Maybe you can also tell us WTF Biden is doing.
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I guess you missed the link I posted earlier in this discussion from the federal court decision that threw out the North Carolina ID law. In that case, the judge found direct evidence that the North Carolina Republican legislators specifically designed the law to target African Americans to make it harder for them to vote. I'm not making any assumptions about any block of voters. I'm just telling you what Republicans are actually doing.
How were they making it harder for African Americans to vote? I don't trust some blanket statement that could have been made by a partisan judge. If you look hard enough, you could probably find a judge to say that a dog is a cat, but it does not make it a fact.
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How were they making it harder for African Americans to vote? I don't trust some blanket statement that could have been made by a partisan judge. If you look hard enough, you could probably find a judge to say that a dog is a cat, but it does not make it a fact.


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The federal court in Richmond found that the primary purpose of North Carolina's wasn't to stop voter fraud, but rather to disenfranchise minority voters. The judges found that the provisions "target African Americans with almost surgical precision."

In particular, the court found that North Carolina lawmakers requested data on racial differences in voting behaviors in the state. "This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)," the judges wrote.

So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. "With race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans," the judges wrote. "The bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-black-voters/

FYI, the opinion was supported by all three judges on the panel, including a George W. Bush appointee. Claiming partisanship, without having a clue about the decision and the judges who made it, is childish.
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My concern is with the people who would be disenfranchised by draconian registration and ID laws. The fact that those people are overwhelmingly from groups that have historically voted for Democrats is the very reason that Republican state legislators are adopting the rules in the first place.
Draconian? To make someone prove they are who they say they are?

Have they EVER trotted out the person, or persons, that do not have ID's, have NO WAY to get one, and now want to start voting all of a sudden?

I don't believe these people exist. I believe that Democrats just want to mail out 100's of millions of ballots, to let anyone and everyone vote as many times as they want.
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Those who oppose voter ID laws for being racist are the true racists, since they are taking the stance that blacks are less capable of obtaining ID than whites.
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Those who oppose voter ID laws for being racist are the true racists, since they are taking the stance that blacks are less capable of obtaining ID than whites.
I've said repeatedly that I do not object to voter ID laws, as long as the law includes a mechanism to get every eligible voter an ID for free.
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I've said repeatedly that I do not object to voter ID laws, as long as the law includes a mechanism to get every eligible voter an ID for free.
That's not what the court found. Strip away the polemics of "intent" and so-called surgical precision it leaves a court striking down a voter ID law that accepts driver's licenses and state ID as well as half a dozen other forms of ID as proof of identity. But no, the court insists it will act as a super legislature judging "intent" not facts.
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