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Sorry but that is a very naïve conclusion. You clearly have no understanding of history.

We went to war over that loss of personal property!!!! .
Yes rich wealthy men were upset that their victims were being taken away and forced the poor to go to war for them in order to try to keep their victims.

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Men, women and children of all economic status fought and DIED. So to your ignorance laden point,,,;
In warfare its generally the poor who do the fighting with some of the rich leading them to their death while the rest of the rich skirted going to war.


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Yes, they cared about the economic changes and loss of wealth to their sovereign states.
I seriously doubt most of the people who fought in the civil war IE the poor gave a rats ass.It was greedy wealthy ****ers upset their victims were taken away.
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At the time of our War between the states, those Victims as you called them, were bought and paid for "PROPERTY" by definition of their legal status. All based on common law and practice that had existed world wide for more than 7,000 years.
Being legal at the time doesn't change the fact it was a horrible practice and that no one should be compensated for their victims being freed. Those that owned slaves at the time should have had all their homes, money and other **** taken away and given to their victims the act of inhumanity that those people did. They should have been forced to live on the street and work for pennies a day to survive for the injustice they did to their victims.

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When the government wants your property, it exercises the right of Imminent Domain. I would think you would expect to be paid for it.

Am I wrong?
Eminent domain for public utilities, roads and waterways is a separate issue from slavery. Slavery was something that never should have happened. Freeing the slaves was correcting an injustice.


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Elder's mistake with his statements washis expectation that educated Americans would understand the facts. He forgot, most Americans are educated in our public school system
Larry Elders was a moron for making that statement. Because to most Americans regardless of the level of education they have it looks like he was sticking up for those that victimized countless people with the institution of slavery. Most decent people at the time don't give a **** if slavery was legal at one time just like most decent people don't care what horrible other practices were legal at the time.
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Looks as if Larry and his team are preparing for a loss?

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A website paid for by Elder's campaign on Monday predicted his defeat and blamed unsubstantiated fraud claims.
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I sure there were some wealthy black people who bought slaves to exploit for labor.However many did it to free family members and maintain family ties.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/27648819

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/african...um-period.html


Although their lives were circumscribed by numerous discriminatory laws even in the colonial period, freed African Americans, especially in the North, were active participants in American society. Black men enlisted as soldiers and fought in the American Revolution and the War of 1812. Some owned land, homes, businesses, and paid taxes. In some Northern cities, for brief periods of time, black property owners voted. A very small number of free blacks owned slaves. The slaves that most free blacks purchased were relatives whom they later manumitted. A few free blacks also owned slave holding plantations in Louisiana, Virginia, and South Carolina. -





Actually when it came to slavery and slaves rape and kidnapping were legal. After all the vast majority of the slaves did not volunteer to become slaves. They were kidnapped from their homes they were kidnapped from plantation to plantation and sold. Masters raped some of their slaves,after all slaves were property not people. Heck marital rape was legal for a long time up until the at least the 1960s in the US.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape#Legal_aspect
The first link requires a login through a school or library. The second is unsupported text from a Library of Congress exhibit.

We know from contemporary accounts blacks owned slaves where it was legal. I'll ask again, should they have been subject to your draconian punishments including being stripped of their property without compensation?

Comrade, does the state actually own all property such that it can take it on a whim? That's the principle at issue here not the ridiculous propaganda that a black Republican endorses slavery.
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Yes rich wealthy men were upset that their victims were being taken away and forced the poor to go to war for them in order to try to keep their victims.


In warfare its generally the poor who do the fighting with some of the rich leading them to their death while the rest of the rich skirted going to war.




I seriously doubt most of the people who fought in the civil war IE the poor gave a rats ass.It was greedy wealthy ****ers upset their victims were taken away.


Being legal at the time doesn't change the fact it was a horrible practice and that no one should be compensated for their victims being freed. Those that owned slaves at the time should have had all their homes, money and other **** taken away and given to their victims the act of inhumanity that those people did. They should have been forced to live on the street and work for pennies a day to survive for the injustice they did to their victims.


Eminent domain for public utilities, roads and waterways is a separate issue from slavery. Slavery was something that never should have happened. Freeing the slaves was correcting an injustice.




Larry Elders was a moron for making that statement. Because to most Americans regardless of the level of education they have it looks like he was sticking up for those that victimized countless people with the institution of slavery. Most decent people at the time don't give a **** if slavery was legal at one time just like most decent people don't care what horrible other practices were legal at the time.
Your presumptions are hilarious. And not factual.
Repeating them doesn't give them validity. Perhaps if you capitalized them the next time to attempt to present as fact....?

Southern slavery wasn't just the rich plantation owners. Many whom you have called poor, owned slaves, just as they owned mules to get the work done. Which is why the common southerner picked up a rifle against the Union.

So stop with the false blame of "the rich".
Like most of your post,,, it is not factual.


Here's a fact you cannot deny. We simply cannot judge the accepted moralities of that time by todays standards. Yet you libs do it all the time.

Democrats caused the endurance of slavery from the conception of our nation. Despite the supposed white supremist founders attempts to outlaw it, the colonial Congress could not get the southern states to give it up. As Franklin and Washington along with many others claimed with regrets, " it was a stain that will take effort and blood to erase"

It was Democrats who fought the antislavery movement and went to war when the Abolitionist GOP party won under Lincoln in 1860.

It was the Democrats who founded and perpetuated the terrorism of the KKK post civil war and maintained segregation, Jim Crow laws, and racial hatreds for over 100 years.

And now they give us the moral lesson of it's evil as though somehow, being a conservative, makes it all our fault. And have the gaul to place the term "Moron" on a black leader who speaks truth in violation of their dogma.

A dogma you present and defend with clear bias as some factual morality.

As for compensation to the property owners, other nations who abolished slavery, did so with compensation. British slave act of 1837 comes to mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_...ation_Act_1837

It worked to free the slaves or has you insist on calling them "victims" and effect orderly change the economic system without bloodshed. Something with which our nation could not come to terms because of stubborn southern DEMOCRATS.
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Your presumptions are hilarious. And not factual.
Repeating them doesn't give them validity. Perhaps if you capitalized them the next time to attempt to present as fact....?

Southern slavery wasn't just the rich plantation owners. Many whom you have called poor, owned slaves, just as they owned mules to get the work done. Which is why the common southerner picked up a rifle against the Union.

So stop with the false blame of "the rich".
Like most of your post,,, it is not factual.


Here's a fact you cannot deny. We simply cannot judge the accepted moralities of that time by todays standards. Yet you libs do it all the time.

Democrats caused the endurance of slavery from the conception of our nation. Despite the supposed white supremist founders attempts to outlaw it, the colonial Congress could not get the southern states to give it up. As Franklin and Washington along with many others claimed with regrets, " it was a stain that will take effort and blood to erase"

It was Democrats who fought the antislavery movement and went to war when the Abolitionist GOP party won under Lincoln in 1860.

It was the Democrats who founded and perpetuated the terrorism of the KKK post civil war and maintained segregation, Jim Crow laws, and racial hatreds for over 100 years.

And now they give us the moral lesson of it's evil as though somehow, being a conservative, makes it all our fault. And have the gaul to place the term "Moron" on a black leader who speaks truth in violation of their dogma.

A dogma you present and defend with clear bias as some factual morality.

As for compensation to the property owners, other nations who abolished slavery, did so with compensation. British slave act of 1837 comes to mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_...ation_Act_1837

It worked to free the slaves or has you insist on calling them "victims" and effect orderly change the economic system without bloodshed. Something with which our nation could not come to terms because of stubborn southern DEMOCRATS.
Masters insured their holdings. Also compensation for them would be moot because of the lost wages of the workers. And if you take into account the work some could have been at instead of manual labor, you're coming close to proving reparations are in order, in your assessment.
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Masters insured their holdings. Also compensation for them would be moot because of the lost wages of the workers. And if you take into account the work some could have been at instead of manual labor, you're coming close to proving reparations are in order, in your assessment.
Now that makes absolutely no sense at all. But thanks for trying.

Reparations? for whom?

How can we possibly divine which progeny has ancestors that lost their fortunes due to the outlawing of slavery?

The slaves themselves lost their freedom to Arab traders and perhaps their African neighbors who conquered them and sold them into slavery. The regained their loss, not by fighting for their rights but having them handed to them via the Blood and treasure of the North AKA the union.

The slave owners lost property because they also lost the military battle.

It is how most property was often acquired in the old world. WE in the newly formed concept started the new concept of acquiring wealth via creation not acquisition by force. Hardly compatible with the idea that we are somehow responsible for the theft of property or freedom via the 7,000 year old method of conquest.

No reparations. Period
How this relate, or justifies, assaulting a viable political candidate is beyond reason to me.
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Now that makes absolutely no sense at all. But thanks for trying.

Reparations? for whom?

How can we possibly divine which progeny has ancestors that lost their fortunes due to the outlawing of slavery?

The slaves themselves lost their freedom to Arab traders and perhaps their African neighbors who conquered them and sold them into slavery. The regained their loss, not by fighting for their rights but having them handed to them via the Blood and treasure of the North AKA the union.

The slave owners lost property because they also lost the military battle.

It is how most property was often acquired in the old world. WE in the newly formed concept started the new concept of acquiring wealth via creation not acquisition by force. Hardly compatible with the idea that we are somehow responsible for the theft of property or freedom via the 7,000 year old method of conquest.

No reparations. Period
How this relate, or justifies, assaulting a viable political candidate is beyond reason to me.
Keep pushing it, cowboy. Many slave owners sent their slaves to do battle for them. Of course some defected to the Union Army. Proving the slavers were wrong and stupid at the same time. No wonder some blood lines completely died out in that war.
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Keep pushing it, cowboy. Many slave owners sent their slaves to do battle for them. Of course some defected to the Union Army. Proving the slavers were wrong and stupid at the same time. No wonder some blood lines completely died out in that war.
Instead of history, you should write fiction,,, oh Wait!! You already do!!!

What slave owners would feel comfortable giving arms and ammunition to their workers to go off and leave the crops to rot or turn and demand freedom?

Said another way,,,, It didn't happen.
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Instead of history, you should write fiction,,, oh Wait!! You already do!!!

What slave owners would feel comfortable giving arms and ammunition to their workers to go off and leave the crops to rot or turn and demand freedom?

Said another way,,,, It didn't happen.
Not only in my relative's father's ancestry but you can google it. I'm surprised you didn't know this.
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Keep pushing it, cowboy. Many slave owners sent their slaves to do battle for them. Of course some defected to the Union Army. Proving the slavers were wrong and stupid at the same time. No wonder some blood lines completely died out in that war.
The claim that many slave owners sent their slaves to fight the Union Army is patently false.

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Official Records of the War of the Rebellion,” a collection of military records from both sides which spans more than 50 volumes and more than 50,000 pages, there are a total of seven Union eyewitness reports of black Confederates.* Three of these reports mention black men shooting at Union soldiers, one report mentions capturing a handful of armed black men along with some soldiers, and the other three reports mention seeing unarmed black laborers.* There is no record of Union soldiers encountering an all-black line of battle or anything close to it.
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