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And there are Libertarians on the other side. I believe they're talking about the prrsent Republican party splitting. Look if y'all don't want to discuss it that's fine,but it is out there, party members have been in discussions.
I have no problem with "discuss[ing]" it.

But one would hope that liberals would, similarly, have no problem with discussing the possibility that the Democratic Party might split into three separate factions: (1) traditional liberals, such as Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi; (2) far leftists, such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, and the rest of "The Squad"; and (3) moderates, such as Joe Mansion.

Any preference to brush this aside indicates, to me, a strong wish to gloat over the problem faced by the Republican Party, while glossing over a similar problem faced by the Democratic Party...
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I have no problem with "discuss[ing]" it.

But one would hope that liberals would, similarly, have no problem with discussing the possibility that the Democratic Party might split into three separate factions: (1) traditional liberals, such as Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi; (2) far leftists, such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, and the rest of "The Squad"; and (3) moderates, such as Joe Mansion.

Any preference to brush this aside indicates, to me, a strong wish to gloat over the problem faced by the Republican Party, while glossing over a similar problem faced by the Democratic Party...
not gloat. I truly wanted your thoughts on it/opinions.

So you are falling into the what aboutism trap after becoming indignant.
that to me is weird.
why can't we just talk. w/o presumptions of motive.
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from the new york post:
Republicans willing to break away from party to follow Trump, poll reveals



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Republicans by double-digit margins said they are willing to ditch their party to follow former President Donald Trump​ if he breaks out on his own, according to a new poll released Sunday.
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Members of the GOP by 46 percent to 27 percent said they would put the Republican Party in the rear-view mirror if Trump creates his own, a USA Today/Suffolk University poll found.​
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“We feel like Republicans don’t fight enough for us, and we all see Donald Trump fighting for us as hard as he can, every single day,” Brandon Keidl, 27, a Republican and small-business owner from Milwaukee, ​told the pollsters.
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“But then you have establishment Republicans who just agree with establishment Democrats and everything, and they don’t ever push back,” he said.
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Half of those surveyed said they think the Republican Party should be “more loyal to Trump” — even if that means losing the support of those in the GOP establishment​.
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Nineteen percent said the party should pull away from Trump.

The survey showed that Trump’s support remains strong since he was acquitted in a Senate impeachment trial for stirring up his supporters to march on the Capitol Jan. 6.

Trump will deliver the keynote address at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Orlando on Feb. 28.

He will speak on the “the future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement.”

Trump, who has been hosting Republican lawmakers at his Mar-a-Lago Florida resort since President Biden was inaugurated on Jan. 20, has vowed to retaliate against GOP congressional members who didn’t support him during the impeachment hearings.
Earlier this month, he blasted Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell as an “unsmiling political hack” who should be tossed from office.

“The Republican Party can never again be respected or strong with political ‘leaders’ like Sen. Mitch McConnell at its helm,” Trump said in a statement..

McConnell (R-Ky.) voted to acquit Trump of “incitement of insurrection” but provoked his ire when he said the former president was “practically and morally responsible” for the mayhem in a floor speech moments later.

In the House, 10 Republicans voted to impeach while seven Senators crossed the aisle to convict him.

Eighty percent of Republicans in the poll said they would not back a Republican candidate who voted to convict — a show of strong support for Trump, who has said he would try to recruit candidates to run against them in primary elections.

Francis Zovko, 63, a Republican from Jefferson Hills, Pa., told the pollsters that Trump doesn’t need to create a third party.

“I think he’s just going to, you know, take over the Republican Party, much as he did in 2016,” he said. “They all kind of thought he was a big joke, and by the end they weren’t laughing any more.”

The poll surveyed 1,000 Trump voters between Feb. 15 and Feb. 19.
Ok any comments now? It's not me making this up.
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Republicans willing to break away from party to follow Trump, poll reveals

Ok any comments now? It's not me making this up.
I have already admitted--and I will gladly reiterate, here--that the GOP has factions within it.

And I am quite willing to discuss that.

But only if you are willing to discuss a similar situation within the Democratic Party.

Just why is it that you seem unwilling to do this?
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Oh, one other thing, this article is from Bowen Xiao, of The Epoch Times:

Former President Donald Trump is overwhelmingly seen as the leader of the Republican Party while the prospect of a third party splitting the GOP appears to be unpopular, according to a new survey of more than 28,000 readers of The Epoch Times.

About 82 percent of a total of 28,643 readers said they saw Trump as the “current leader of the GOP.” The second-most-voted figure was Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who received 930 votes—around 3 percent of the total surveyed.

Almost 8 percent voted for someone not mentioned on the survey, including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley.

Other recent polls have drawn similar results. A Morning Consult/Politico poll released on Feb. 15 found more than half of Republicans (59 percent) said Trump should play a “major role” in the GOP going forward, while 54 percent said they would support the former president in a hypothetical 2024 presidential primary.

Epoch Times readers were also asked about whether they believe the GOP can win back control of the Senate without Trump’s support in 2022; about 73 percent said no. Just a little over 3,700, or 13 percent, believe the GOP can regain its majority without Trump’s support, while 14 percent of readers said they weren’t sure.

The answers were similar when respondents were asked if they believe the GOP could win back the majority in the House without Trump’s support. A majority, about 70 percent, said they don’t believe a win in the House can be achieved without Trump’s support.

Nearly 48 percent of respondents believe there shouldn’t be a third party that splits off from the GOP, with about 23 percent saying that such a party should exist, and 29 percent unsure.

The future success of the party is tied to the former president, according to one respondent from California.

“Without the support of Trump, the GOP is done,” stated Fernando Vera, a high school science teacher. “Millions that supported Trump will not forget what the leadership of the GOP did to him.”

Steve, a computer specialist from Texas who didn’t provide his last name, said he believes Trump has a unique ability to inspire and drive voters in the country, a factor needed by the GOP to stay afloat.

“A lot of us prefer Trump’s policies and patriotism to the same old stuff that most other politicians have to offer, regardless of their party affiliation,” he said. “Trump was incredibly successful at motivating voters in almost every sector of the population and the Republican Party needs that enthusiasm to survive.”

Trump supporters “are loyal to him and will continue to follow his directives and objectives,” said Robert Ferracane, a retired programmer from New York.

The success of future GOP candidates is also tied to Trump, according to the results of the survey.

Nearly 90 percent of respondents (25,667) said they were likely to vote for candidates whom Trump has endorsed. Just 347 said they likely wouldn’t.

“The 74 [million] or 75 million of us who voted for him in the last election sought a second term for him, but in lieu of that, I think we will continue to support him at the state and local levels, in order to supplant disloyal GOP incumbents through appropriate GOP primaries,” Ferracane said.

Ferracane said he hoped Republicans can retake the House and Senate “through a new generation of MAGA GOP candidates.”

Meanwhile, 64 percent of respondents said they were unlikely to vote for candidates endorsed by McConnell. More than 4 percent said they were likely to vote for candidates whom McConnell endorsed, while a significant amount of respondents (32 percent) were undecided.

“Trump’s judgment about people has not been the best, but he truly does care about the country,” said J.S., a retired engineer from Massachusetts.

“Anyone he endorses is worth careful consideration. McConnell, on the other hand, is a pure politician. I don’t trust him at all and would be skeptical of anyone he cares to endorse.”
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not gloat. I truly wanted your thoughts on it/opinions.

So you are falling into the what aboutism trap after becoming indignant.
that to me is weird.
why can't we just talk. w/o presumptions of motive.
Wow! I guess after 4 years of presumptions, you are sick of it huh?

You want to stop the presumptions until the next Republican takes the White House I presume.
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Wow! I guess after 4 years of presumptions, you are sick of it huh?

You want to stop the presumptions until the next Republican takes the White House I presume.
Salty is always good for a laugh. She continuously presumes the worst in Republicans and that Trump was somehow getting rich while in office (never mind that the Trump Family lost about $2 Billion in net worth over the last 4 years). Yet she now believes we should quit being so presumptive. Funny.
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