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As much as you would like to dismiss it, it is true. Trump won white men without college degrees by almost 50 points. He lost among all other voters by around 20 points. And white men without college degrees is a fairly rapidly shrinking share of the population.
And white men without college degrees are what? Something around 20% of the population? Somehow your numbers are not adding up.
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Lol. The electoral plurality that gave us Trump is entirely dependent on a single demographic that is fairly rapidly shrinking as a percentage of the overall population: white men without college degrees. As that group shrinks, the chances of Trump 2.0 shrinks with them.
Somehow I knew you'd get around to the EC excuse.

It's likely there will be a Trump 2.0. And a Pence 1.0. White men are not suddenly going to start graduating in higher numbers.

And the EC will still be the deciding factor.
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And white men without college degrees are what? Something around 20% of the population? Somehow your numbers are not adding up.
It's slightly higher than that, but the numbers do add up. If Trump won slightly over 20% of the electorate by a margin of 50 points, and lost the remainder by around 20 points, it adds up to a Trump loss of the popular vote by a few percentage points.
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Somehow I knew you'd get around to the EC excuse.

It's likely there will be a Trump 2.0. And a Pence 1.0. White men are not suddenly going to start graduating in higher numbers.

And the EC will still be the deciding factor.
The numbers going to college are increasing slightly, but the bigger factor is that the overall white share of the population of the US is shrinking.
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Since when are we to believe that Donald Trump managed a mere "plurality" of electoral votes (as CS) charges, anyway? (The 304 to 227 win qualifies, I believe, as a solid majority--not a mere "plurality.")

But he would not, I suppose, want to admit that...
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Hillary called voters she needed "Deplorables".
Yes, she did.

And that, in itself, is truly deplorable.

At least, I think so.
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Yes, she did.

And that, in itself, is truly deplorable.

At least, I think so.
Well, with each passing day it becomes clearer and clearer that she was right.
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The numbers going to college are increasing slightly, but the bigger factor is that the overall white share of the population of the US is shrinking.
I suspect it will take more than your type of racial profiling to win in November. Whites have been decreasing as a percentage for some time. Decades actually. Hardly a brilliant observation and most certainly racially based. Raw racism to put it bluntly.
But then, for decades, profiling and promising voter groups based on race has been the leverage to office for Democrats. It is why they now run a majority of large cities where minorities tend to congregate as they have throughout our history.

BTW; Not always as people of color.

Times are a changing. After years, ( actually over a century), of broken promises, Blacks no longer line up and pull one lever for the Dems. The choke hold is broken.

I believe the left has had to hyper inflate racism and racial politics in a futile attempt to remain relevant. Done because that is all they now have. It is all they know. This strategy has been exposed and is failing. The result is a Democratic party flailing like a fish out of water on the dock. The two at the top of the ticket amount to a has been professional gas bag and a slut. Documented.

That's the best they ,the Democratic leadership, could do? Seriously?
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As much as you would like to dismiss it, it is true. Trump won white men without college degrees by almost 50 points. He lost among all other voters by around 20 points. And white men without college degrees is a fairly rapidly shrinking share of the population.
All you are confirming is your narrow information consumption.

You can keep parroting it till you are even bluer in the face; all it proves is you are listening to Rockefeller Center / DC Beltway echo-chamber pundits (like Matthews) who only converse with other lefty Orange Man Bad DEMedia.

The OMBDEMedia are in the same mindset and making the same insular mistakes they made in 2016, leading their viewers skipping down the same primrose path . . . You are skipping the highest, keeping your biases confirmed, your over-blown self-esteem well fluffed and your commentary hateful.

The Democrats embracing BLM and the neo-Marxist violence has blown up all the clean demarcations your narrow mind relies on.

The desire for civilized society, law and order and the rejection of hard leftist politics has created new priorities that erase the cheap and easy identity politics you and your ilk nourish yourselves with and the OMBDEMedia feeds you like slopping hogs at the trough.

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It's slightly higher than that, but the numbers do add up. If Trump won slightly over 20% of the electorate by a margin of 50 points, and lost the remainder by around 20 points, it adds up to a Trump loss of the popular vote by a few percentage points.
Let's look at the numbers from Pew.

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Trump’s margin among whites without a college degree is the largest among any candidate in exit polls since 1980. Two-thirds (67%) of non-college whites backed Trump, compared with just 28% who supported Clinton, resulting in a 39-point advantage for Trump among this group. In 2012 and 2008, non-college whites also preferred the Republican over the Democratic candidate but by less one-sided margins (61%-36% and 58%-40%, respectively).
Trump still got a whopping 2/3 of whites without a college degree but not by the exaggerated margin you portray. Nor is it unusual for the Republican candidate to enjoy a substantial margin of voters in this demographic. Trump, the blue collar billionaire, spoke to this group about how they had been screwed over by rotten trade deals, senseless wars and open borders. Meanwhile Hillary vacationed in Martha's Vineyard with the other elites.

As always there is more to the story than Democrat sore loser manufactured talking points.

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Trump won whites with a college degree 49% to 45%. In 2012, Romney won college whites by a somewhat wider margin in 2012 (56%-42%). Trump’s advantage among this group is the same as John McCain’s margin in 2008 (51%-47%).
Trump's advantage among degreed whites is comparable to civilized Republicans Romney and McCain. Trump's appeal to those without a degree didn't hurt him with those presumably much smarter whites with a degree.

https://www-pewresearch-org.cdn.ampp...r-education%2F

Naturally Trump's victory is devalued as the product of deep divisions while Obama's near unanimous support from black voters is described as healing the country.
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