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FrancSevin · #21 (**permalink**) 07-23-2020, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Vote by mail will work well to insure Democrat activists can select election winners and stuff ballot boxes to win the popular vote in Presidential elections. Several states have surrendered their electoral college votes to the large population states like California and NY so piling on fake votes from harvested ballots is worthwhile.

Let's b fair here, Republicans can do the same thing.

Harvesting votes has occurred on both sides of the aisle. Proving a system fault that allows for a human fault to effect our election outcomes.

Mellon_Collie · #22 (**permalink**) 07-23-2020, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

Apparently, I've been watching different news that you. Based on videos for the last 7 weeks, Oregon is not politically in great shape. Your neighbor to the north and to the south are in the same mess.

Yeah, It's working

According to the Republican secretary of state Yes it is working perfectly.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...effective.html

Want more, based on a The Heritage Foundation study

Total cases of voter fraud in Heritage sample - 15
Total cases of duplicate voting or absentee ballot fraud In Heritage sample - 9
Number of fraudulent votes attempted by mail - 14
Time period for collection of fraud cases - 2000–2019
Number of general election votes cast over the same time period - 15,476,519

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...igh-the-risks/

And just for a good short history of vote by mail lets look at MIT
https://electionlab.mit.edu/research...bsentee-voting

cnredd · #23 (**permalink**) 07-23-2020, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mellon_Collie

Want more, based on a The Heritage Foundation study

Total cases of voter fraud in Heritage sample - 15
Total cases of duplicate voting or absentee ballot fraud In Heritage sample - 9
Number of fraudulent votes attempted by mail - 14
Time period for collection of fraud cases - 2000–2019

These are KNOWN instances...

Look at credit fraud...The number of KNOWN instances is about 5% of ACTUAL instances...

Look at bank fraud...The number of KNOWN instances is about 5% of ACTUAL instances...

Look at insurance fraud...The number of KNOWN instances is about 5% of ACTUAL instances...

There is no "sample" or observation on earth that can say with 100% certainty that EVERY instance of fraud is found and the numbers given are absolute...

The very idea of fraud is to do something WITHOUT it being discovered...

I'd also like to add...

Even if you believe that community organizers and activists have never gone through Oregon mailboxes looking for ballots in neighborhoods that primarily vote against their preferred candidate so they can be disposed of, would you be confidant that that "never" could be extrapolated over the whole nation?..............................I sure as hell don't...

FrancSevin · #24 (**permalink**) 07-23-2020, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mellon_Collie

According to the Republican secretary of state Yes it is working perfectly.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...effective.html

Want more, based on a The Heritage Foundation study

Total cases of voter fraud in Heritage sample - 15
Total cases of duplicate voting or absentee ballot fraud In Heritage sample - 9
Number of fraudulent votes attempted by mail - 14
Time period for collection of fraud cases - 2000–2019
Number of general election votes cast over the same time period - 15,476,519

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...igh-the-risks/

And just for a good short history of vote by mail lets look at MIT
https://electionlab.mit.edu/research...bsentee-voting

Are you confirming what I said or just being naively stubborn? To be blunt, I would not trust President Trump's people to be honest about it were he to endorse mail in votes. Keep in mind, the party in power will have the greatest motivation, resources, and opportunity to cheat..

We don't need an easier method of voting. We need a more secure one. This mail in crap is not secure. Period! The chain of custody has no security.

Mail fraud is common. Voter fraud is common. Somehow both of these weaknesses are minimized by the party which wants to facilitate opportunities for vote harvesting and fraud. Amplify it with a nationwide system and those who make the conscious effort to study the issues and physically report to a polling station will no longer have a voice.

GottaGo · #25 (**permalink**) 07-23-2020, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

this story is self described as based on an Intercept story that includes:

as well as a great amount of speculation and outright hog wash

it also interestingly mentions trump stopping overtime of postal employees during the election.

at any rate don't fear. I vote absentee all the time. I rarely mail it but drop it off at the court house, but when it was mailed I have faith that it was counted.

For that 'lack of a post mark'... on a mailed in ballot. So, how did the ballots get there?

GottaGo · #26 (**permalink**) 07-23-2020, 03:40 PM

My drive-by opinion, for those who wish to vote against Biden, or for Trump, make a point of getting your collective behinds to the polls. Drive your elderly neighbors, carpool the seniors from the Senior Centers.

Encourage the youth vote, those that understand what they are voting for.

They can't 'lose' a vote on a machine. Yeah, there can be technical difficulties, but less chance than someone dropping a paper in the mail....

Mellon_Collie · #27 (**permalink**) 07-23-2020, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

Are you confirming what I said or just being naively stubborn? To be blunt, I would not trust President Trump's people to be honest about it were he to endorse mail in votes. Keep in mind, the party in power will have the greatest motivation, resources, and opportunity to cheat..

We don't need an easier method of voting. We need a more secure one. This mail in crap is not secure. Period! The chain of custody has no security.

Mail fraud is common. Voter fraud is common. Somehow both of these weaknesses are minimized by the party which wants to facilitate opportunities for vote harvesting and fraud. Amplify it with a nationwide system and those who make the conscious effort to study the issues and physically report to a polling station will no longer have a voice.

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Originally Posted by cnredd

These are KNOWN instances...

Look at credit fraud...The number of KNOWN instances is about 5% of ACTUAL instances...

Look at bank fraud...The number of KNOWN instances is about 5% of ACTUAL instances...

Look at insurance fraud...The number of KNOWN instances is about 5% of ACTUAL instances...

There is no "sample" or observation on earth that can say with 100% certainty that EVERY instance of fraud is found and the numbers given are absolute...

The very idea of fraud is to do something WITHOUT it being discovered...

I'd also like to add...

Even if you believe that community organizers and activists have never gone through Oregon mailboxes looking for ballots in neighborhoods that primarily vote against their preferred candidate so they can be disposed of, would you be confidant that that "never" could be extrapolated over the whole nation?..............................I sure as hell don't...

The point is that statistically, vote by mail fraud, is no greater than in person voting fraud. You want this magical world where voter fraud doesn't exist will be the same world where unicorns walk the streets crapping rainbows. The real reason conservatives don't want it is the misplaced belief that it will change the balance of the electorate in favor of the left. News flash eastern Oregon still vote right, and western vote left, it was that way before vote by mail, and it has not changed. Alll these mythical thing everyone points to in vote by mail dont happen to the level they clam, nor has ever effect an election. Face it your afraid of change not voter fraud, and disenfranchisement is a bigger berdon on the voting process than fraud. And hell if 0.1% of Vote by mail fraud and 0.3% of in person voting fraud is even comparable to 5% credit fraud, bank fraud, insurance fraud your just plain nutz

FrancSevin · #28 (**permalink**) 07-26-2020, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mellon_Collie

The point is that statistically, vote by mail fraud, is no greater than in person voting fraud. You want this magical world where voter fraud doesn't exist will be the same world where unicorns walk the streets crapping rainbows. The real reason conservatives don't want it is the misplaced belief that it will change the balance of the electorate in favor of the left. News flash eastern Oregon still vote right, and western vote left, it was that way before vote by mail, and it has not changed. Alll these mythical thing everyone points to in vote by mail dont happen to the level they clam, nor has ever effect an election. Face it your afraid of change not voter fraud, and disenfranchisement is a bigger berdon on the voting process than fraud. And hell if 0.1% of Vote by mail fraud and 0.3% of in person voting fraud is even comparable to 5% credit fraud, bank fraud, insurance fraud your just plain nutz

Your defense of the idea is that so far it's not so bad,????

Please note, this is a CBS poll test of the USPS.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...t-test-n697455

FrancSevin · #29 (**permalink**) 07-27-2020, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mellon_Collie

The point is that statistically, vote by mail fraud, is no greater than in person voting fraud. You want this magical world where voter fraud doesn't exist will be the same world where unicorns walk the streets crapping rainbows. The real reason conservatives don't want it is the misplaced belief that it will change the balance of the electorate in favor of the left. News flash eastern Oregon still vote right, and western vote left, it was that way before vote by mail, and it has not changed. Alll these mythical thing everyone points to in vote by mail dont happen to the level they clam, nor has ever effect an election. Face it your afraid of change not voter fraud, and disenfranchisement is a bigger berdon on the voting process than fraud. And hell if 0.1% of Vote by mail fraud and 0.3% of in person voting fraud is even comparable to 5% credit fraud, bank fraud, insurance fraud your just plain nutz

I think you missed Doc's point here.

No, the point Doc was making is that the stats show what we know about fraud. It is likely 5 times greater than reported. Your answer suggests you agree that is likely. And you would accept that degree of fraudulence in our voting system.
An amazing rationalization.

The idea of mail in balloting is aimed at people too lazy to show up at the polls. I would suggest they are the same said people who don't come to logical decisions about who represents their interests. IMHO, these folk probably shouldn't vote.

AZRWinger · #30 (**permalink**) 07-27-2020, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mellon_Collie

The point is that statistically, vote by mail fraud, is no greater than in person voting fraud. You want this magical world where voter fraud doesn't exist will be the same world where unicorns walk the streets crapping rainbows. The real reason conservatives don't want it is the misplaced belief that it will change the balance of the electorate in favor of the left. News flash eastern Oregon still vote right, and western vote left, it was that way before vote by mail, and it has not changed. Alll these mythical thing everyone points to in vote by mail dont happen to the level they clam, nor has ever effect an election. Face it your afraid of change not voter fraud, and disenfranchisement is a bigger berdon on the voting process than fraud. And hell if 0.1% of Vote by mail fraud and 0.3% of in person voting fraud is even comparable to 5% credit fraud, bank fraud, insurance fraud your just plain nutz

News flash, not all Oregon politicians favor immediate expansion of vote by mail nationwide.

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Rep. Greg Walden said on Wednesday that a nationwide vote-by-mail system would be a “recipe for a disaster” in November's general election, dismissing a practice that is widely utilized in his home state of Oregon.

Walden, a Republican, noted that he does not oppose mail-in voting but said his state's process was formulated through a “long, multi-decade experience” before becoming the nation’s first vote-by-mail state in 2000.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...navirus-175328

We have seen numerous other locations have significant problems with vote by mail exposing the falsehood of the claim that Oregon's experience can be instantly cloned nationwide.

It defies common sense to claim mass mailing ballots to everyone on out of date voter rolls is as secure as having people vote at polls or via absentee ballot.

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