Voting Fraud Charges Filed Against Paterson Councilman and Councilman-Elect

AZRWinger · #1 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 09:53 AM

Democrats and their Resistance media toadies insist mail in ballot elections are pristine, free from fraud. President Trump is attacked as a liar and someone who wants to suppress voter turnout. Of course actual evidence of mail in election fraud has to be denied or ignored.

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In the wake of rampant allegations of voter fraud in the Paterson City Council race, the New Jersey Attorney General filed voting fraud charges Thursday against a city councilman and a council-elect.

Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal announced voting fraud charges against 1st Ward Councilman Michael Jackson, 3rd Ward Council-Elect Alex Mendez and two other men, weeks after the May 12 local election in which the Passaic County Board of Elections decided not to count 800 city ballots found scattered across different municipalities

It's the exact same problem President Trump warned about. There was enough evidence to file criminal charges but the media denials continue.

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Both Jackson, 48, and Mendez, 45, were charged with fraud in casting mail-in votes, unauthorized possession of ballots, tampering with public records and falsifying or tampering with records, according to the statement. Mendez was additionally charged with election fraud and false registration or transfer.

It's often claimed that a swing of 80,000 votes nationwide would have given Hillary the WH. But hey mail in ballots can't swing an election, right?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj....outputType=amp

Dave1 · #2 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

It's the exact same problem President Trump warned about.

Hmmm....

Are you claiming that republicans don't do the same thing.....?

Sure sounds like it....

The idea that the GOP is snow white without any voting scandals is hilarious.....

FrancSevin · #3 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave1

Hmmm....

Are you claiming that republicans don't do the same thing.....?

Sure sounds like it....

The idea that the GOP is snow white without any voting scandals is hilarious.....

Excuse me but AZ said nothing one way or anther about "Republicans."
Just specifically who broke the law and who supported it.

Your implication tells any reader of YOUR bias.

BTW, there have been recent reports on the forum of Republicans doing similar crimes. And the GOP members who committed such crimes have been condemned as well. Suggesting, "well they did it too" does not mitigate the offense.

AZRWinger · #4 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave1

Hmmm....

Are you claiming that republicans don't do the same thing.....?

Sure sounds like it....

The idea that the GOP is snow white without any voting scandals is hilarious.....

Here we go with the Republicans do it too straw man. There is no party affiliation mentioned in the OP. Manufacturing partisan accusations just shows the desperation to ignore the corruption of mail in ballot elections.

Hmm... The next strategem is to try conflating absentee ballots with mail in ballot elections.

jimbo · #5 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave1

Hmmm....

Are you claiming that republicans don't do the same thing.....?

Sure sounds like it....

The idea that the GOP is snow white without any voting scandals is hilarious.....

But that's the issue the liberals claim. They claim there is no voter fraud.

The other guy does it too is not a valid defense. I want ti eliminate ALL voter fraud.

FrancSevin · #6 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbo

But that's the issue the liberals claim. They claim there is no voter fraud.

The other guy does it too is not a valid defense. I want ti eliminate ALL voter fraud.

Absolutely!

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Here we go with the Republicans do it too straw man. There is no party affiliation mentioned in the OP. Manufacturing partisan accusations just shows the desperation to ignore the corruption of mail in ballot elections.

Hmm... The next strategem is to try conflating absentee ballots with mail in ballot elections.

And we need to be careful about new voting methods that open opportunities for such fraud.

Frankly, I believe if you don't get out of bed and personally show at the polls, with some sensible exceptions, you don't get to vote.

jimbo · #7 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

Absolutely!

And we need to be careful about new voting methods that open opportunities for such fraud.

Frankly, I believe if you don't get out of bed and personally show at the polls, with some sensible exceptions, you don't get to vote.

Except for 3 years out of country in the military, I have never not voted, and I have never voted any other way than boots on the ground.

The problem with alternatives, including mail in, is that the election officials do not have control of the vote for most of its life.

Yesterday I received a bill that I knew was coming and was mailed on June 2.

That's not all that uncommon. Deliberately or accidental, there is no chain of possession with the mail. There are hundreds of opportunities for fraud.

saltwn · #8 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Democrats and their Resistance media toadies insist mail in ballot elections are pristine, free from fraud. President Trump is attacked as a liar and someone who wants to suppress voter turnout. Of course actual evidence of mail in election fraud has to be denied or ignored.

It's the exact same problem President Trump warned about. There was enough evidence to file criminal charges but the media denials continue.

It's often claimed that a swing of 80,000 votes nationwide would have given Hillary the WH. But hey mail in ballots can't swing an election, right?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj....outputType=amp

mail in ballots are nothing new. they are called 'absentee'
if someone is trying fraud they should be punished
but from other stories about voter fraud by dems this is probably not that.
at any rate suppression is a much greater problem right now. how come you don't care about that?

Dave1 · #9 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Here we go with the Republicans do it too straw man. There is no party affiliation mentioned in the OP.

You need to learn how to read......

My comments were addressed to the OP's comments (you).....

OP Quote ~ Democrats and their Resistance media toadies insist mail in ballot elections are pristine, free from fraud. President Trump is attacked as a liar and someone who wants to suppress voter turnout. Of course actual evidence of mail in election fraud has to be denied or ignored.

In no way did you reference any of the same for your party....

Just trying to keep it real here, only telling the truth.....

Dave1 · #10 (**permalink**) 06-27-2020, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo

But that's the issue the liberals claim. They claim there is no voter fraud.

The other guy does it too is not a valid defense. I want ti eliminate ALL voter fraud.

First off, I NEVER said it was a "defense".....

Secondly, not all democrats claim there is zero voter fraud. That ilk is full of **** and no one takes them seriously....

BTW, there is no way to get rid of voter fraud....

It's like the war on drugs, war on poverty, war on fat people, etc....

There always has been an element of fraud in our elections and that goes back to George Washington....

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