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Old 11-07-2019, 11:36 AM
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Weird, because 1990s Nancy Pelosi was for single-payer health insurance and criticized Bill Clinton's plan for not going far enough to ensure healthcare for every American. Perhaps she's moved closer to the center since taking a national leadership role because she really believes a candidate that's too progressive won't win moderates?

I can see it both ways.

At this point, the Democratic Party is about half moderate/conservative, and half progressive. Someone too far to the left might turn off moderates and Republicans disaffected by Trump, but it could also fire up the base and that is crucial in some swing states. Conversely a moderate Dem risks depressing the liberal wing, but can also be an assurance to moderate voters. Recent polls show Joe Biden faring the best against Trump, but Sanders and Warren aren't really doing bad against him either.

One thing Democrats should not do is run so far to the right that they come across as Republican-lite. They tried this in 2014 and got clobbered in the midterms.
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Weird, because 1990s Nancy Pelosi was for single-payer health insurance and criticized Bill Clinton's plan for not going far enough to ensure healthcare for every American. Perhaps she's moved closer to the center since taking a national leadership role because she really believes a candidate that's too progressive won't win moderates?
Pretty much...

What someone BELIEVES and what someone thinks could get ACCOMPLISHED are two very different things...

Personally, an overwhelming majority of Dems WANT single-payer, but not as many understand A) the cost is not feasible, and B) citizen backlash...

Let's go back to Pelosi's statement on pushing for single-payer back in the 90s...

The exact year was 1993...

Wanna take a guess at what happened in the 1994 elections?...

The Dems in the House lost 54 seats...

The Dems in the Senate lost 8 seats...

This was like an iron to the face of anyone that was pushing for single-payer...and obviously, Nancy paid attention (tough not to)

So now, every time someone yells "We demand single-payer!", Pelosi hears "I want a repeat of the 1994 elections!"....

...and rightfully cringes...
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Weird, because 1990s Nancy Pelosi was for single-payer health insurance and criticized Bill Clinton's plan for not going far enough to ensure healthcare for every American. Perhaps she's moved closer to the center since taking a national leadership role because she really believes a candidate that's too progressive won't win moderates?

I can see it both ways.

At this point, the Democratic Party is about half moderate/conservative, and half progressive. Someone too far to the left might turn off moderates and Republicans disaffected by Trump, but it could also fire up the base and that is crucial in some swing states. Conversely a moderate Dem risks depressing the liberal wing, but can also be an assurance to moderate voters. Recent polls show Joe Biden faring the best against Trump, but Sanders and Warren aren't really doing bad against him either.

One thing Democrats should not do is run so far to the right that they come across as Republican-lite. They tried this in 2014 and got clobbered in the midterms.
The moderate/conservative Democrats are getting sick of all the crap the progressives are doing.

I personally know a few die in the wool Democrats that have changed into Trump supporters. I think Trump will win by a landslide next year if the left is unsuccessful in ruining him before then.
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I think he will beat anyone out there right now. I think Biden would be the hardest, everyone else is too socialist.

I think that is why they are going after impeachment so hard, they have to hurt him as much as they can before people actually vote.

I believe the left will get so desperate in the next year that they will resort to just about anything. I can see them paying women or men to say he raped them while they were children. Or paying people to say he burned alive a litter of puppies.

What ever it takes, Nothing will be off the table.
While I'm sure that those who don't think for themselves may give consideration to such things, let's not give them any hints and ideas, ok?
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While I'm sure that those who don't think for themselves may give consideration to such things, let's not give them any hints and ideas, ok?
I don't believe that Dog Man is giving them any ideas of tactics that they have not already utilized in the past.
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I don't believe that Dog Man is giving them any ideas of tactics that they have not already utilized in the past.
, yeah for sure. Page 846 of their play book.
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oh gah, here we go with 'poor trump' again.
what this country needs is about 30 years of full democrat government and we will approach getting America on a good track. It was bad enough then Mr only i can solve your problems got elected or stole it we still don't know-watch stone trial-and we are worse than we've ever been
lefty ideals are a natural swing from having bad oligarch govt for years. pelosi included.
At least their goals seem pure while trump rode in on a fear train perpetrated by rw media and decided he would take over the whole party for his personal benefit.
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oh gah, here we go with 'poor trump' again.
what this country needs is about 30 years of full democrat government and we will approach getting America on a good track. It was bad enough then Mr only i can solve your problems got elected or stole it we still don't know-watch stone trial-and we are worse than we've ever been
lefty ideals are a natural swing from having bad oligarch govt for years. pelosi included.
At least their goals seem pure while trump rode in on a fear train perpetrated by rw media and decided he would take over the whole party for his personal benefit.
Drinking heavily again I see.
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It's hard to say whether Trump really will win in 2020. I think he could easily beat Biden, 50/50 on Warren, though if the impossible happened and Tulsi ran against Trump, I think Trump would be wiped out.

It also depends on how many people are truly disillusioned at the Trump presidency. There will be many who vote against Trump just to end the circus.

Having said that, if Trump isn't impeached and he wins the presidency again, I think we'll see real and actual terrorism from the left.
Remember when Beto was the new "in" thing? That's Tulsi today. She doesn't spew the required hatred for America necessary for securing the nomination.

Trump is going to be impeached by the House probably on a party line vote. The bill of impeachment will be lengthy with every allegation the Democrats can dream up.

I would not be surprised if the vote is timed to occur too close to the election to allow the Senate to conduct a trial before the People vote. The objective is not to remove Trump from office by impeachment but to weaponize impeachment as a campaign tool and use the post election Senate trial as an insurance policy should Trump win reelection.

The real question is what will the voters make of Democrats playing politics with impeachment.
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It's hard to say whether Trump really will win in 2020. I think he could easily beat Biden, 50/50 on Warren, though if the impossible happened and Tulsi ran against Trump, I think Trump would be wiped out.

It also depends on how many people are truly disillusioned at the Trump presidency. There will be many who vote against Trump just to end the circus.

Having said that, if Trump isn't impeached and he wins the presidency again, I think we'll see real and actual terrorism from the left.
from the right
democrats I know r prepared to not criticize trump in front of locals if he wins again. we r afraid they will see it as open season on democrats
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