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Old 06-26-2019, 11:36 PM
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My first impression is 8 of 10 are further left than Dem candidates in decades
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Default Re: What did you think of the first Dem candidate debate?

I liked EW's answers. I wonder if the bumper sticker answers will garner supporters...
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I was at work for the actual debate, but I've read that Warren started out strong but faded...A word count had Cory Booker as the most talkative...
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Technical difficulties with the broadcast rendered a lot of the debate unwatchable.

After several candidates nattered on about the glories of Medicare for all one was brave enough to point out it would close most hospitals due to slashing provider reimbursements to Medicare rates. Of course none of the other candidates stepped up to explain how their version of socialized medicine would prevent hospital closings they just recited the standard demogoguery aimed at private insurance companies.

Beto looked way short of ready for prime time.

Poor little rich girl Elizabeth Warren, fake Native American, demanded so-called structural changes to our government and economy to satisfy her version of social justice naturally no mention was made of her voluntarily pitching in her personal wealth to the cause.

Lots of exploitation of the tragic drowning death of a father and young daughter trying to illegally cross the border. After the obligatory blaming of President Trump for the parent's irresponsible behavior the talk centered on how to make it easier for an increased quantity of illegal immigrants to get into the US. Nary a word about the impact of the flood of illegals on free medical care costs and other social services.
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The definition of the word "progressive" is happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step so one would expect the policies and agenda would move forward over time in a step by step process. It's called "progress" in the political agenda.

We don't make America great by returning to the past. We make America great by moving in a step by step process into the future.
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Lots of exploitation of the tragic drowning death of a father and young daughter trying to illegally cross the border. After the obligatory blaming of President Trump for the parent's irresponsible behavior the talk centered on how to make it easier for an increased quantity of illegal immigrants to get into the US. Nary a word about the impact of the flood of illegals on free medical care costs and other social services.
This family attempted to file for asylum in Mexico, a right that they have under our law, so that they could lawfully enter the United States but were turned away by the Trump Administration. Being denied their right to apply for lawful entry into the United States it was out of desperation that finally drove them to attempt the unlawful entry into the United States so they could apply for asylum.

President Trump is unquestionably responsible because President Trump is behind the refusal to allow refugees to apply for asylum and lawfully enter the country. President Trump opposes lawful immigration into the United States.

The Refugee Act of 1980 allows up to 270,000 legal entries of foreign refugees into the United States annually and if Trump was following this law there wouldn't be any refugees unlawfully crossing the US border to apply for asylum.

The overall impact of lawful and unlawful immigration to the United States is positive for both the economy and for tax revenues. Illegal immigrants pay more in local, state, and federal taxes than they receive in benefits. A study in Texas, with a high illegal alien population, found that illegal aliens contributed over $400 million i nexcess revenue above what they cost in local, state, and federal social benefits.
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The definition of the word "progressive" is happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step so one would expect the policies and agenda would move forward over time in a step by step process. It's called "progress" in the political agenda.

We don't make America great by returning to the past. We make America great by moving in a step by step process into the future.
As usual you give no link to support what you claim is a definition of progressive even ignoring the difference from the Progressive political movement. Barack Obama's overarching goal was the fundamental transformation of the US. Last night the leading contender on the debate stage declared we need structural changes in our government and economy. Neither is proposing gradual, step by step changes. It's preposterous to claim they are somehow to the Left of Progressives.

Making America great again is cutting back on Federal government meddling in our lives and defending American interests abroad. That's the opposite of the American hating Progressives.
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What little bit I saw of the debate (i.e. clown show) was a contest to see who could be the best Santa Clause along with who would best break down the rule of law and turn our southern border into nothing more than a location on a map. It was a race to the far left.
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MSNBC opinion host Rachel Maddow’s debate presence was ‘a loss for journalism,’ critic says

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Left-wing MSNBC host Rachel Maddow may be too biased for The New York Times, but she was front and center during NBC’s technical-issue-plagued debate between 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls -- and critics say it made for a softball fest that was "a loss for journalism and a lost opportunity for media balance."

With Maddow and Chuck Todd, the NBC News star who began his career as a top aide to liberal former Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin, asking most of the questions, none of the 10 candidates were tested rigorously. Debate moderators are historically straight-news journalists, as opposed to partisan pundits but NBC News decided Maddow, on whose show New York Times reporters are forbidden to appear, was fit to grill presidential hopefuls in an event further tarnished by embarrassing audio glitches
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Since there were so many Democratic candidates, and this was only half of them that qualified, I might have to put them into tiers.

Win tier- Warren, Castro. Elizabeth Warren's very strong performance wasn't a surprise for anyone paying attention, but Julian Castro put out a powerful showing especially when it came to the issue of immigration. If he doesn't break out then it's not meant to be. I also don't see Warren not continuing her gradual momentum forward in the polls.

Meh tier- Inslee, DeBlasio, Klobuchar, Booker. I mean I'm surprised Bill DeBlasio did even okay, but I don't think any of these candidates improved their marketability.

Sad Sack tier- Delaney. He just felt like the red-headed stepchild that even their mother forgets she birthed. Could barely get a word in, wasn't asked much, and answers littered with substance-free centrism for the sake of centrism.

Garbage tier- Gabbard, Ryan. When asked about the pay gap, Tulsi Gabbard went into an total non-answer about her military service, and used it as a crutch for the rest of her answers. Tim Ryan's highlight was sh-tting on Democrats living on the coasts and college educated people, and forgetting who attacked us on 9/11.

NBC Sound Room tier- O'Rourke. He bombed. Between breaking into Spanish as seemingly a defense mechanism and not answering a question about taxes, and getting chewed out by Castro over immigration, his already-fading star is just about out unless something crazy happens outside of these debates.

My take on the debate overall: I think every Democrat missed an opportunity by not contrasting themselves with Joe Biden who is still a resilient frontrunner, and a few of them barely mentioned Trump. Although one could argue that speaking to your own self and your policies is a better strength than just dumping on Trump, even in this moment. Unfortunately other than Julian Castro, none of the lower polling candidates didn't have much in the way of a breakout moment.

Elizabeth Warren felt like a frontrunner, and would be if it weren't for the rest of the roster.
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