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Old 06-02-2019, 02:28 PM
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Then why did a GOP operative chart statistics that it does?
yes as they say themselves, this is why the GOP want the question on the census. to gerrymander districts.

Probably because the estranged daughter doesn't know that the Census is used to apportion representation and just made up the claim of her father having a evil republican memo on his computer. Is there a law that takes away your right to vote for not answering census correctly?



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a census is done to see how many people are in the country at a given time period so that that knowledge can inform decisions about safety, possible food shortages, and a myriad of other things to inform the actions of our government. all successful civilizations perform a good census periodically.
A citizenship question doesn't take away from that. All a citizenship question will do is make easier to apportion representation based on the number of citizens a state has instead of how many illegals a state is harboring to boost their representation.

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questions about citizenship will cause people not to participate out of fear if they have someone living with them who is illegal.
That is the claims of illegal alien ass kissers and nothing more. Not having citizenship doesn't imply illegal status.Not being a citizen can imply green card holder, someone here on a visa.
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A liberal lower level court might throw it out. But I doubt the supreme court will ...
I just hope that the matter makes it all the way to the Supreme Court. (Of course, it does not take all cases decided by lower federal courts.)
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questions about citizenship will cause people not to participate out of fear if they have someone living with them who is illegal.
It sounds as if you are approving--tacitly, at least--one's harboring of illegals.

Am I mistaken in drawing that conclusion?
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It sounds as if you are approving--tacitly, at least--one's harboring of illegals.

Am I mistaken in drawing that conclusion?
no, I disapprove of anything that interferes with an accurate as a possible census.
I used to do a lot of ancestry research and censuses are invaluable. I once found a man who fought in San Juan Hill ( ancestor of a dear friend of mine). Had I not found him on a census record I couldn't have matched him to the guy on enlistment records.
More important than that, we use these counts to do all sorts of things like to help determine where to build new schools, roads, health care facilities, also it is important to the economy.


The Founding Fathers thought this data was so important they mandated it as part of the Constitution.

So far we have managed to K.I.S.S. ("keep it simple stupid") because Americans don't like someone being too nosy.
it depends on voluntary compliance and a question about illegals will make some people not participate at all rather than lie.
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no, I disapprove of anything that interferes with an accurate as a possible census.
I used to do a lot of ancestry research and censuses are invaluable. I once found a man who fought in San Juan Hill ( ancestor of a dear friend of mine). Had I not found him on a census record I couldn't have matched him to the guy on enlistment records.
More important than that, we use these counts to do all sorts of things like to help determine where to build new schools, roads, health care facilities, also it is important to the economy.


The Founding Fathers thought this data was so important they mandated it as part of the Constitution.

So far we have managed to K.I.S.S. ("keep it simple stupid") because Americans don't like someone being too nosy.
it depends on voluntary compliance and a question about illegals will make some people not participate at all rather than lie.
You have answered a question that I did not ask.

Some people might call that deflection.

I did not ask you whether you believed it is important to have "an accurate as a possible census." [sic]

Rather, I asked whether you believe that it is ethically okay to harbor illegals.

Would you take a shot at that, please?
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no, I disapprove of anything that interferes with an accurate as a possible census.
I used to do a lot of ancestry research and censuses are invaluable. I once found a man who fought in San Juan Hill ( ancestor of a dear friend of mine). Had I not found him on a census record I couldn't have matched him to the guy on enlistment records.
More important than that, we use these counts to do all sorts of things like to help determine where to build new schools, roads, health care facilities, also it is important to the economy.


The Founding Fathers thought this data was so important they mandated it as part of the Constitution.

So far we have managed to K.I.S.S. ("keep it simple stupid") because Americans don't like someone being too nosy.
it depends on voluntary compliance and a question about illegals will make some people not participate at all rather than lie.
Oh I agree, we should have an accurate census, not just a count of people but but demographics and attributes including citizenship as well. Obama hosted events in the WH explicitly for illegal aliens. Yet somehow the reintroduction of a question about citizenship is supposed to be toxic to the Republic.

Of course if the Census revealed how many citizens and noncitizens there are in each district we'd have a means of detecting election fraud and we'd have a much better idea of how many illegal aliens are living in the US. Of course inflated voter rolls favor Democrats, that's why they fight so hard against purging them of any entries despite the failure of reasonable efforts to validate them. A more accurate count of illegal aliens living in the US would probably show a much higher number than is publicized now, calling citizens to push for enforcement of immigration laws and reforms to stem the flow of illegals.

Voter suppression is the new all in one grievance of Democrats. Compared to the 2014 midterms more than 1.5 million votes were cast in the Georgia 2018 midterm election yet Democrats solemnly proclaim their gubanatorial candidate was cheated out of her rightful victory by voter suppression. Now we are supposed to believe that because someone had so-called statistics showing voter suppression illegal aliens cannot be asked about their status.
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You have answered a question that I did not ask.

Some people might call that deflection.

I did not ask you whether you believed it is important to have "an accurate as a possible census." [sic]

Rather, I asked whether you believe that it is ethically okay to harbor illegals.

Would you take a shot at that, please?
certainly harboring an alien who is not legal is a crime. I would not do it or condone anyone who did. They are being foolish. However if you gramma comes to visit you from Mexico in southern Arizona are you going to rat her out? Probably not. but if you are on a work visa or a naturalized ctizen and stand a chance of being kicked out of the country, you will not answer the door when the census takers come calling. At that point, we have lost valuable information on who lives there that can help determin employed people, roadways needed to get to work etc.
I'm for abiding by the law. However, I realize not everyone will be if this question is included.
And a result of that will be wrongly drawn voting districts
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certainly harboring an alien who is not legal is a crime. I would not do it or condone anyone who did. They are being foolish. However if you gramma comes to visit you from Mexico in southern Arizona are you going to rat her out? Probably not. but if you are on a work visa or a naturalized ctizen and stand a chance of being kicked out of the country, you will not answer the door when the census takers come calling. At that point, we have lost valuable information on who lives there that can help determin employed people, roadways needed to get to work etc.
I'm for abiding by the law. However, I realize not everyone will be if this question is included.
And a result of that will be wrongly drawn voting districts
Thank you for answering my question.

But the districts are supposed to be drawn according to the citizens living in them--not according to citizens plus illegal aliens...
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Thank you for answering my question.

But the districts are supposed to be drawn according to the citizens living in them--not according to citizens plus illegal aliens...
they won't be if the census is inaccurate.
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certainly harboring an alien who is not legal is a crime. I would not do it or condone anyone who did. They are being foolish. However if you gramma comes to visit you from Mexico in southern Arizona are you going to rat her out? Probably not. but if you are on a work visa or a naturalized ctizen and stand a chance of being kicked out of the country, you will not answer the door when the census takers come calling. At that point, we have lost valuable information on who lives there that can help determin employed people, roadways needed to get to work etc.
I'm for abiding by the law. However, I realize not everyone will be if this question is included.
And a result of that will be wrongly drawn voting districts
Naturalized citizens and people on work visas stand no chance of being deported from answering questions on the census. Let's see, illegal aliens ought to dictate what questions are allowed on the census as well as commit crimes like identity theft, driving without a license or insurance, and tax fraud with impunity. They are special, better than we ordinary folk.
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