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Old 04-28-2019, 02:47 PM
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I'm more interested to see Obama's college transcripts that were sealed away at his request. I wonder that HE was hiding?
Why would anyone care about someone's college transcripts that's permanently retired from any public office?

All that's important to know is that President Obama was the most respected of all foreign leaders during his last two years as our President and that two recognized organization of American historians rank Obama as either the 9th greatest or 12th greatest president in American history depending upon which historical experts are being surveyed.

Knowing that when he served President Obama was highly respected internationally, as well as here in the United States where he had an approval rating of 56% when he left office, and that his service as President was ranked as one of the highest in American history, makes what was on his college transcripts irrelevant.
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Old 04-28-2019, 03:11 PM
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Why would anyone care about someone's college transcripts that's permanently retired from any public office?
I'm not. However, that is every bit as relevant to holding the Office of to POTUS as seeing one's tax returns. I am simply pointing to the hypocrisy of the left in demanding Trumps tax returns but being completely silent when Obama was on the ballot about his college transcripts.

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All that's important to know is that President Obama was the most respected of all foreign leaders during his last two years as our President and that two recognized organization of American historians rank Obama as either the 9th greatest or 12th greatest president in American history depending upon which historical experts are being surveyed.
Respected by whom? All I know is that most foreign leaders saw his a week and easily manipulated. From what I can tell, he was a joke and tried to make our country every bit as big of a joke as he was.

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Knowing that when he served President Obama was highly respected internationally, as well as here in the United States where he had an approval rating of 56% when he left office, and that his service as President was ranked as one of the highest in American history, makes what was on his college transcripts irrelevant.
More irrelevant babble.
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Old 04-29-2019, 06:24 AM
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If it's 80 pages long then either I can wade through it to gather what information I can or I can use it as a means for verifying what experts tell me is information that the tax return provides.

I've waded through lots of government documents that are far greater than 80 pages to short out what was actually being covered and it wasn't that big of a deal. It can be work but it's often worth it.

No one is being required to involuntarily release their tax returns to the public. Only if a person seeks public office, that is a privilege and not a right, do they have to voluntarily provide their tax returns and subject them to public scrutiny - it's a condition to be on the ballot. They can even avoid that by running a write-in campaign so that they don't have to be on the ballot.

According to Donald Trump his tax returns are audited every year and the IRS would only audit his tax returns every year if they consistently found unlawful deductions or violations of the tax codes on his tax returns year after year after year. That doesn't imply the IRS catches all of the unlawful deductions because we know they don't. Recent testimony provides a reason to re-examine past tax filings to look for the violations that would exist and not be caught by a typical IRS examination. For example were Trump's payments to Michael Cohen for the Stormy Daniels payoff reported as a tax deductible attorney expense? That would be a fraudulent deduction on Trump's tax form.
80 pages per entity involvement.... try again.

Bullsh!t. The government will audit, repeatedly, any entity that has multiple involvements with either the Federal government, or foreign governments. Been there also. So, false statement right there.

You are promoting, once again, a fishing expedition, to see if there is something that Trump has done, not to the Democrat's liking. Doesn't have to be illegal, just something, anything, that doesn't fit the liberal point of view.

I could imagine, maybe he didn't contribute enough money to the 'correct' charities, or he deducted a first class plane ticket to Moscow....horrors!

YOU have no right to see or know what is in his tax return.

You've really exposed yourself on this, while I may dislike Trump as a person, not particularly excited about him as a POTUS, you actively hate and froth at the mouth at the idea he may have not done something, anything, that fits your narrow minded position. Your anger is palpable.

Had sad to view the world that way.
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80 pages per entity involvement.... try again.

Bullsh!t. The government will audit, repeatedly, any entity that has multiple involvements with either the Federal government, or foreign governments. Been there also. So, false statement right there.

You are promoting, once again, a fishing expedition, to see if there is something that Trump has done, not to the Democrat's liking. Doesn't have to be illegal, just something, anything, that doesn't fit the liberal point of view.

I could imagine, maybe he didn't contribute enough money to the 'correct' charities, or he deducted a first class plane ticket to Moscow....horrors!

YOU have no right to see or know what is in his tax return.

You've really exposed yourself on this, while I may dislike Trump as a person, not particularly excited about him as a POTUS, you actively hate and froth at the mouth at the idea he may have not done something, anything, that fits your narrow minded position. Your anger is palpable.

Had sad to view the world that way.
The Mueller report offers up the most obvious reason to give the left nothing.

It won't matter. After two years and millions of dollars, a conclusion not favorable that the left didn't want to hear he still did all those things and it must be in the taxes. When that proves futile, it will be on to the medical records, or his drivers license.
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If it's 80 pages long then either I can wade through it to gather what information I can or I can use it as a means for verifying what experts tell me is information that the tax return provides.

I've waded through lots of government documents that are far greater than 80 pages to short out what was actually being covered and it wasn't that big of a deal. It can be work but it's often worth it.

No one is being required to involuntarily release their tax returns to the public. Only if a person seeks public office, that is a privilege and not a right, do they have to voluntarily provide their tax returns and subject them to public scrutiny - it's a condition to be on the ballot. They can even avoid that by running a write-in campaign so that they don't have to be on the ballot.

According to Donald Trump his tax returns are audited every year and the IRS would only audit his tax returns every year if they consistently found unlawful deductions or violations of the tax codes on his tax returns year after year after year. That doesn't imply the IRS catches all of the unlawful deductions because we know they don't. Recent testimony provides a reason to re-examine past tax filings to look for the violations that would exist and not be caught by a typical IRS examination. For example were Trump's payments to Michael Cohen for the Stormy Daniels payoff reported as a tax deductible attorney expense? That would be a fraudulent deduction on Trump's tax form.
Trump's tax returns are 50,000 pages each year. That is not unusual for a company of that size and in that business. The so-called experts are going to pick out tidbits to attack Trump for the crime of not paying his fair share. Most people will not educate themselves on the tax law or did through the returns for themselves to validate Resistance accusations but the media will repeat them as gospel.

The IRS and state income tax authorities routinely audit high income returns individual and corporate. There is nothing nefarious just common sense in auditing returns where an error might result in millions in additional tax revenue.

High income filers typically have their tax returns prepared by professionals with expertise in tax law so they are long and complex. Likewise auditors have to have expertise to understand the returns and to defend their determinations in court when needed. There is expense on both sides so it only makes sense if the potential recovery exceeds the cost of the audit.

The ignorance displayed in the claim that Trump's tax returns are only audited because there is a history of fraud foreshadows the ignorant and malicious claims the Resistance will spout if Trump's tax returns are published. It was acceptable for Bernie to withhold his tax returns when he ran in 2016 and until recently in this campaign but Trump is a criminal so his returns must be published so the Resistance media can generate more fake news like Russian collusion.

It's ironic to see many of the same people who oppose voter ID laws come out in favor of requiring Trump to disclose his tax returns. States can put extra requirements requiring disclosure of confidential materials to be on the ballot but they cannot require voters to display ID routinely used in the normal course of life.
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Founded in 1964 as an organization to fight for the liberation of Palestine from foreign Jews that had invaded and taken control by force of most of Palestine the PLO was condemned as a terrorist organization by Israel and the United States because of it's attacks on civilians.

That designation as a terrorist organization, only alleged by Israel and the United States, ended with the Madrid Conference in 1991. In 1993, the PLO recognized Israel's right to exist in peace, accepted UN Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, and rejected "violence and terrorism". In response, Israel officially recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people.

Stories claiming a link to terrorism from 2003, long after any nation considered the PLO to be a terrorist organization, are either based upon pure ignorance or a nefarious attempt to distort history.
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The Second or Al-Aqsa Intifada started concurrently with the breakdown of July 2000 Camp David talks between Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. The Intifada never ended officially, but violence hit relatively low levels during 2005. The death toll, including both military personnel and civilians, of the entire conflict in 2000–2004 is estimated to be 3,223 Palestinians and 950 Israelis, although this number is criticized for not differentiating between combatants and civilians. Members of the PLO have claimed responsibility for a number of attacks against Israelis during the Second Intifada.

In February 2015, in a civil case considered by a US federal court the Palestinian Authority and Palestine Liberation Organization were found liable for the death and injuries of US citizens in a number of terrorist attacks in Israel from 2001 to 2004. The damages are to be $655.5 million.
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