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Old 04-19-2019, 01:56 AM
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Nope. If a given private company tries to sell me a policy not to my liking, be it choice of doctors or choice of drugs, I can pick up my application and go elsewhere or nowhere. Not so when there is only one provider. With ACA you cannot even opt out. It's true that certain groups of people are difficult or impossible to insure. But I don't skydive or race cars. Being an 81 YO male with two vasectomies, I won't be needing anything associated with childbirth issues.

You're just making my point You're also presuming I have only one option. There are thousands of insurance companies.
maybe you don't know these things because it doesn't affect you presently. ever heard of 'in network' and 'out of network'?
yeah skydiving my eye. if you have diabetes or a host of other things you can be refused care. if you had a corrective surgery like I did under the old pre Obama care days, you are s. o. l. And heir trumpy-doo wants to return to that. correction-the folks he's beholden to want to return to that.
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Old 04-19-2019, 02:11 AM
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Medicare for all is not even close to Medicare either. I paid thousands per year for decades with no prospect of getting a dime back until I was 65. Not so with the for all group. They'll get coverage the day they sign up with or without making a payment. That may not be socialized healthcare, but it's socialized insurance.
yes you corrected yourself. if you want to dwell on it we have a lot of social programs. one gives money to oil companies.
the day social security went in to affect, people who were already 65 got medicare though they never paid a tax to that end. I was happy to do my patriotic and humanitarian duty to help the lady who had raised me to live a dignified life. I guess you would rather have kicked your old man in the ass had he like her come near death and forced to sell a business quickly needed that income later on. you seem quite resentful of your fellow man. just an observation. perhaps you had a similar family dynamic to my Republican uncle Fullwood, in which case I might not blame you.
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medicare for all is not socialized medicine. socialized medicine is when the government delivers the health care. medicare for all is when the government pays for your health care.
you'll pay a tax but no deductible, no premium, no copay.
I don't go to a hairdresser; my hair which was thick as three heads of hair is still falling out from a side effect of a rheumatoid medicine that stays in the system for two years. Thank God on the one hand my hair was so thick. on the other hand I don't know when this will stop.
you have your own opinion. fine. I have mine that, yes, in the greatest country on earth no one should choose between leaving the lights on, eating, or getting a necessary operation.
Under Medicare for all Federal bureaucrats dictate reimbursement rates, set drug formularies and determine medical necessity. No private insurance is allowed. Claiming it's not socialized medicine because the Federal bureaucracy doesn't own the clinic or hospital and doesn't hire the doctors is nonsense.

Sorry about your hair but the point about most people wanting to select and return to the same hair stylist remains. Why socialists want people to have less choice in doctors than they have in hair stylists just shows their real agenda is expanding the power of the Federal government not improving health care.

Bernie claims Medicare for all will allow you to present your card anywhere you choose for service. Do you really think the Mayo clinic if it still exists, is going to be able to fit you in during this century? You know that's nonsense.

Preaching the gospel of the system forcing people to choose between paying for food and rent or an operation requires ignoring policies like the one Obama proclaimed without a scrap of medical training that sometimes you are better off taking a pill for the pain instead of getting the operation. Under the so-called progress of Medicare for all those decisions are made for you.
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Under Medicare for all Federal bureaucrats dictate reimbursement rates, set drug formularies and determine medical necessity. No private insurance is allowed. Claiming it's not socialized medicine because the Federal bureaucracy doesn't own the clinic or hospital and doesn't hire the doctors is nonsense.
Under private insurance, bureaucrats dictate reimbursement rates, set drug formularies and determine medical necessity.
If you want to continue to communicate you might understand some terms. I was just trying to help. I see that you are proud you are wrong and spitting your own definition of words so drop it.

Sorry about your hair but the point about most people wanting to select and return to the same hair stylist remains. Why socialists want people to have less choice in doctors than they have in hair stylists just shows their real agenda is expanding the power of the Federal government not improving health care.
thanks. hair stylists move and so do doctors. also you can hear about a better one etc.
Bernie claims Medicare for all will allow you to present your card anywhere you choose for service. Do you really think the Mayo clinic if it still exists, is going to be able to fit you in during this century? You know that's nonsense.
pretending the corporate democrats will let Bernie win,
yes you get to go to your own doctor. just as you do with medicare. depends on where you live if you have to wait for an appointment with a heart surgeon or endocrinologist. same as now you can make an appointment with your doc you've used for years for general stuff. he will take the card because there's no other so yeah.

Preaching the gospel of the system forcing people to choose between paying for food and rent or an operation requires ignoring policies like the one Obama proclaimed without a scrap of medical training that sometimes you are better off taking a pill for the pain instead of getting the operation. Under the so-called progress of Medicare for all those decisions are made for you.
I don't recall him saying that but like you I would take the advice of my doctor over a lawyer in health matters.
So sounds like the decision my husband made not to do surgery but to do radiation when he had cancer.
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the fact someone can't empathize with that very real scenario let alone admit it exists (though they know it does) says way more about them than it does me.

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I don't recall him saying that but like you I would take the advice of my doctor over a lawyer in health matters.
So sounds like the decision my husband made not to do surgery but to do radiation when he had cancer.
Under Medicare for all Federal bureaucrats dictate every aspect of healthcare. For example, Obamacare declared that if your doctor was in the top 10% by volume of Medicare physicians making referrals to specialists his or her reimbursement rates would be reduced by 5% for all Medicare patients.

I would take the advice of a physician over a politician lawyer in my health care matters but that's not what Obamacare and Medicare for all does. Let's try simple arithmetic, hucksters like Bernie Sanders promise adding 30 million new patients to the rolls, plus adding another 160 million from outlawing private insurance and making health care more robust for countless millions more will magically occur overnight without increasing capacity of an already overburdened system. But wait, we can slash reimbursement rates to those dictated by Medicare without impacting availability of services. Those doctors and technicians and researchers providing care will not only work for a significant pay cut, they will double or triple the number of patients they care for with no decline in service quality.
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No it's not. Once people see what it really means for their health care, basically Medicare becomes Medicaid, only 30% support it. But aside from that, the country cannot afford it. The cost of Freedoms and dollars is simply too high.

The USA can either be the economy that drives the world economy, or we can be Venezuela.
I think that's the reason that the left is abandoning Obamacare and now pushing what they call Medicare for all, which it isn't.

As soon as people get a glimmer of liberal plans rather than listen to the propaganda, they don't look so good.
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For the most part, Canadians have accepted the view that while letting in more private care might be a boon to the rich, shielding the public system from competition is better for the rest. Not so, wrote McLachlin and Major. They said outlawing private insurance makes private care the sole privilege of those who can pay cash. "The state has effectively limited access to private health care except for the very rich, who can afford private care without need of insurance," they found.
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"Delays in the public system are widespread and have serious, sometimes grave, consequences. Dr. Daniel Doyle, a cardiovascular surgeon who teaches and practises in Quebec City, testified that a person with coronary disease is 'sitting on a bomb' and can die at any moment. He confirmed, without challenge, that patients die while on waiting lists."
this is what the future holds for the united states if we travel down the medicare for all road.
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