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When Russian hackers targeted the staff of Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., they took aim at maybe the most vulnerable sector of U.S. elections: campaigns.
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McCaskill's Senate staff received fake emails, as first reported by The Daily Beast, in an apparent attempt by Russia's GRU intelligence agency to gain access to passwords. McCaskill released a statement confirming the attack but said there is no indication the attack was successful.
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"Russia continues to engage in cyber warfare against our democracy. I will continue to speak out and press to hold them accountable," McCaskill said. "I will not be intimidated. I've said it before and I will say it again, Putin is a thug and a bully."
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The Missouri Democrat is running for re-election in November, in a state President Trump won by almost 20 percentage points; she is widely considered among the most vulnerable Democrats running for re-election in the Senate this year.
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Although the attack on her staff is the first known instance of a Russian attempt at the kind of cyber-intrusion used on the Clinton campaign with great success in 2016, there is reason to believe it won't be the last.
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Tom Burt, Microsoft's vice president of consumer security and trust, said last week that three candidates standing for election in the 2018 midterms were the target of phishing attempts that Microsoft detected. The Daily Beast concluded based on other evidence that McCaskill was among those three. It remains unclear who the others were.
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"They were all people who because of their positions, might have been interesting people from an espionage standpoint, as well as an election disruption standpoint," Burt said.
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Eric Rosenbach, who served as the chief of staff for the Department of Defense from 2015 to 2017 and also previously oversaw the Pentagon's cyberactivities, said based on his experience in national security, there's no reason to believe those will be or have been the only campaign hack attempts.
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"The fact that you find one part of a Russian cyber-intrusion or attack, usually means that you've only found a very small part of it," Rosenbach said. "It probably means that [attacks] like this are much more widespread, that they may be, in fact, in the campaigns of many close Senate races ... You just always have to operate as if you've only found the beginning of what is probably a much more complex problem and situation."
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Rosenbach now leads the Defending Digital Democracy project at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, a project aimed at helping state and local election officials, as well as campaigns, grapple with the new reality: Much of their work is now digital, and they have a target on their backs.
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Campaigns are "the most vulnerable" aspect of U.S. elections, Rosenbach said, because they often don't have the time or money to develop long-term cybersecurity plans and because they're bringing on new staff and volunteers all the time — often without adequate training.
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Rosenbach worked with Republican Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign manager, Matt Rhodes, and Democrat Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign manager, Robby Mook, on creating a cybersecurity playbook for campaign managers.
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"People have this perception of campaigns that comes from movies and TV shows, like House of Cards, where they're very sophisticated operations," said Rhodes, when he spoke to NPR in the spring. "The only thing that is actually consistent with the movies when it comes to campaigns is people eat a lot of pizza. They're not that sophisticated."
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Mook added, "The irony of campaigns is they are the grittiest and least valuable startups out there, but they're incredibly valuable targets."
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Much of the risk of the sort of phishing attack that was successfully executed in 2016 on John Podesta, chairman of the Clinton campaign, and the Democratic National Committee and attempted this year on McCaskill's staff could be mitigated with two-factor authentication, said Mark Nunnikhoven, a vice president of the cybersecurity firm Trend Micro.
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Two-factor authentication makes it so anyone wishing to access an email account must not only have a username and password, but also another form of verification, like a code that can be texted to a cellphone number. It's a cybersecurity measure offered by all major email providers at no cost, but, Nunnikhoven said, "the challenge is getting people to use it."
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The added step is inconvenient, but it renders most phishing attempts useless.
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"This is a constant challenge of cybersecurity, getting people to understand tradeoffs," Nunnikhoven said. "It's a minor bump in the user experience, but it's a huge security win."
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But campaigns need to begin taking steps like that, Rosenbach said, because until the United States can implement a foreign policy that effectively deters foreign nations from interfering digitally in elections, they will continue. If it's not Russia, he also said, it will be someone else.
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"It's hard for me to believe," said Rosenbach, "that campaign infrastructure won't be under attack for decades, maybe centuries to come."
Trump should have implemented a policy and released funds to states for implementation a long time ago. Instead he's been more concerned with getting himself in trouble over "that Russia thing."
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Trump should have implemented a policy and released funds to states for implementation a long time ago. Instead he's been more concerned with getting himself in trouble over "that Russia thing."
Claire McCaskill who is desperately looking for any straw to save her Senate seat touts phishing attacks as extraordinary proof the Russian boogeyman wants to have her lose. Never mind that phishing attacks are as common as July sunshine in AZ or that the phishing attack on Hillary's campaign director only succeeded because the security consultant carelessly typed "legitimate" when he claims he wanted to type "illegitimate" in response to Podesta's email questioning the suspicious email.

Certainly we ought to fashion our foreign policy to automatically invoke huge penalties when Democrats do something stupid like declare an obvious phishing email valid or violate cardinal security rules like allowing an obvious variation of "password" to be used as a password.

The OP suggests two factor authentication as the protection against phishing attacks a measure that could be implemented right away at little to no cost. Of course the Resistance zealotry must blame Trump for any problem even ones where the root cause is Democrat incompetence.
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Phishing isn't hacking.
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Trump should have implemented a policy and released funds to states for implementation a long time ago. Instead he's been more concerned with getting himself in trouble over "that Russia thing."
Two factor authentication has been around for over a decade. Since all these phishing attempts supposedly only occur to Democrat organizations, why didn't President Obama or the DNC implement the policy?

Let's not forget, the most famous successful phishing attack ever occurred when President Obama was in office. Perhaps you remember it, it was the one that revealed John Podesta's emails that clearly showed Hillary Clinton, the DNC and CNN (Donna Brazile) colluding against Senator Bernie Sanders to secure a nomination for Hillary Clinton.
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Claire McCaskill who is desperately looking for any straw to save her Senate seat touts phishing attacks as extraordinary proof the Russian boogeyman wants to have her lose. Never mind that phishing attacks are as common as July sunshine in AZ or that the phishing attack on Hillary's campaign director only succeeded because the security consultant carelessly typed "legitimate" when he claims he wanted to type "illegitimate" in response to Podesta's email questioning the suspicious email.

Certainly we ought to fashion our foreign policy to automatically invoke huge penalties when Democrats do something stupid like declare an obvious phishing email valid or violate cardinal security rules like allowing an obvious variation of "password" to be used as a password.

The OP suggests two factor authentication as the protection against phishing attacks a measure that could be implemented right away at little to no cost. Of course the Resistance zealotry must blame Trump for any problem even ones where the root cause is Democrat incompetence.
I guess Russians trying to hack the electrical grid is also a democratic ploy?
Microsoft is the one who found that the Russians hacked three candidates. she is but one of them.
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Two factor authentication has been around for over a decade. Since all these phishing attempts supposedly only occur to Democrat organizations, why didn't President Obama or the DNC implement the policy?

Let's not forget, the most famous successful phishing attack ever occurred when President Obama was in office. Perhaps you remember it, it was the one that revealed John Podesta's emails that clearly showed Hillary Clinton, the DNC and CNN (Donna Brazile) colluding against Senator Bernie Sanders to secure a nomination for Hillary Clinton.
And it was hacked by the Russians.
republicans are just as vulnerable. Russia has its own agenda.
do you think just because you like republicans its alright for them to get into office on a cheat?
what happens when Russia's preferred republican is not your own?

the man has done nothing to prevent further attacks as evidenced by these fresh ones yet he lies about it to the public.
that doesn't concern you??
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...Unbeknownst to Jones, Udall or Feinstein, the public reference to the Panetta Review so alarmed the CIA as to prompt a milestone event in its history. Since 2009, the CIA had maintained a firewalled network on which the Senate could view internal documents relevant to its torture inquiry. It was known as RDINet, for “rendition, detention and interrogation.” By mutual agreement, the CIA was not supposed to access the Senate’s side of the network for any reason aside from picayune IT help. But at least five CIA officials would surreptitiously transgress the network firewalls, view the Senate investigators’ work, and reconstruct Jones’s emails. Their rationale, established in a subsequent internal investigation, was to determine if the Senate deliberately exploited an evident flaw in the architecture of the network to digitally acquire the Panetta Review – which they did not want the Senate to have.

It was an extreme step. After Congress overhauled the CIA in the 1970s, the agency was not supposed to spy on Americans domestically except in extremely circumscribed circumstances. Now it was turning its spywork onto the elected officials tasked with overseeing it.

“Every officer is clearly, I would say rigorously, trained that CIA is a foreign intelligence service. We have a legal mandate to conduct intelligence operations on non-American entities ... It’s very clear, the distinction, and then elaborate, the working out of what may and may not be done,” said Glenn Carle, a retired CIA officer.

Carle continued: “For the agency to penetrate a firewalled network used by the United States Senate is flat criminal activity. There’s no discussion about it. I’m literally laughing. You can’t rationalize that.”

Oregon Democratic senator Ron Wyden flatly called it “spying on our staff”. The CIA vigorously disputes that characterization. CIA director Brennan, whom Carle praises as an “honorable guy”, was informed about the firewall breach almost as soon as the agency began its fateful operations. ...
you know one other question comes to mind here. Why would the congress need to put up a firewall between the CIA and the Congress if the CIA were honorable? And if they need a firewall for certain things wouldn't one assume that they are looking through the UNfirewalled servers as a matter or course.
And if they aren't honorable, but are good at their jobs, then a firewall would be useless anyway!

any threat to our democracy here.
Not just a foreign nation TRYING to get passwords. but internal agency having FULL Backdoor access to ALL of congresses emails and their work.

Can we get some traction on this constitutional problem?
Or are Russian ATTEMPTS more frightening than real and full spectrum success?

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...Last July, CIA Director John Brennan nearly apologized to Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and ranking member Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) in a letter for the CIA’s hacking into the computer network of committee staffers, according to a new report from VICE News.

VICE News, which had filed a joint Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the CIA with Ryan Shapiro, an MIT researcher, obtained more than 300 pages of documents related to its pursuit of materials related to charges that the agency had spied on the Intelligence Committee and hacked into its network. The agency also withheld thousands of pages, citing “nearly every exemption under FOIA,” wrote reporter Jason Leopold.

But for the CIA, there was just one problem: Apparently Brennan’s draft letter was not meant to be released.

“After VICE News received the documents, the CIA contacted us and said Brennan’s draft letter had been released by mistake. The agency asked that we refrain from posting it,” Leopold reported. “We declined the CIA’s request.” ....
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/...instein-121296
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The National Security Agency on Saturday released a statement in answer to questions from a senator about whether it “has spied, or is … currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials”, in which it did not deny collecting communications from legislators of the US Congress to whom it says it is accountable.

In a letter dated 3 January, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont defined “spying” as “gathering metadata on calls made from official or personal phones, content from websites visited or emails sent, or collecting any other data from a third party not made available to the general public in the regular course of business”.

...The statement read: “NSA’s authorities to collect signals intelligence data include procedures that protect the privacy of US persons. Such protections are built into and cut across the entire process. Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all US persons. NSA is fully committed to transparency with Congress. Our interaction with Congress has been extensive both before and since the media disclosures began last June.
“We are reviewing Senator Sanders’s letter now, and we will continue to work to ensure that all members of Congress, including Senator Sanders, have information about NSA’s mission, authorities, and programs to fully inform the discharge of their duties.”

Soon after Sanders' letter was published, the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, announced that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance (Fisa) Court, the body which exists to provide government oversight of NSA surveillance activities, had renewed the domestic phone records collection order for another 90 days....
...Last month, two federal judges issued contradictory verdicts on whether such NSA surveillance was constitutional. Judge Richard Leon said it was not constitutional; Judge William Pauley said that it was.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...mbers-congress
Same protections a every U.S. citizen... which we know from multiple sources now is ZERO protection.
Any threat to our democracy here?!
Again.... Not just a foreign nation TRYING to get passwords of on senator. But an internal agency having FULL Backdoor access to ALL of congresses emails and their work. and their internet use, and phones, and any "smart" devices info.

"enemies foreign and domestic" mean anything?
which is the bigger threat? who can most effect an election or has a better chance to influence a politician?
Instead of Blocking Russian attempted "hacks" on congress the DNC and RNC , the CIA and NSA are doing the hacking and probably the voter "influencing" themselves.
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you know one other question comes to mind here. Why would the congress need to put up a firewall between the CIA and the Congress ? ...
because congress doesn't want the cia to see what it's doing
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because congress doesn't want the cia to see what it's doing
seems you missed the meat of my post....

the CIA and NSA and likley (FBI, DIA and the rest of the US intel agencies) have already hacked all the senators and congress people as well as every State Governor and all state reps, city mayors, and Judges from the SCOTUS on down, plus lawyers etc etc and has access to all their private work and communications.
Is this a threat to our democracy?
is that a bit weightier than the lame phishing attempts, ALLEGEDLY, by the Russians?

IF the CIA and NSA were focusing on there missions to protect from such rather than DO the hacking. Russia's attempts wouldn't be an issue AT ALL.




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seems you missed the meat of my post....

the CIA and NSA and likley (DIA and the rest of the US intel agencies) have already hacked all the senators and congress people as well as every State Governor and all state reps, city mayors, and Judges from the SCOTUS on down, plus lawyers etc etc and has access to all their private work and communications.
Is this a threat to our democracy?
is that a bit weightier than the lame phishing attempts, ALLEGEDLY, by the Russians?

IF the CIA and NSA were focusing on there missions to protect from such rather than DO the hacking. Russia's attempts wouldn't be an issue AT ALL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo6yNwBIEuo
The CIA, FBI and NSA are protecting this country. However it is up to our leader to actually lead the country in not letting a foreign enemy attack us again. Instead they absolutely are attacking us again.
To throw up herrings about how the CIA no doubt protects us from our own modern greedy sell-out congress smacks of lying to one's self about the true state of things.
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