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Just what was Trump and Kobach thinking by having this voter commission split between Dems & Republicans. This is going to go where, IMHO.

Kobach, was proven that KS., had but 1 illegal voter while he said it was many.

Doing crap like this isn't helping unit the parties.. And what about his proposal to subject voter registration to the same background check system used to clear gun sales..

Are you for Kobach proposal or is it going to far?


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© Provided by The Hill Kobach defends controversial Breitbart column on NH voter fraud

The White House's voter fraud commission held its second meeting Tuesday in New Hampshire as the controversy surrounding the panel intensifies.

Fault lines emerged between Democratic and Republican members on several issues, including a proposal to subject voter registration to the same background check system used to clear gun sales.

Commission Vice Chairman Kris Kobach, Kansas's Republican secretary of state, also drew criticism for his recent, disputed assertion that illegal out-of-state voting played a role in New Hampshire's 2016 election results.

The daylong meeting, which centered on issues affecting the public's confidence in election integrity, underscored the deep partisan divide over the panel, which was ostensibly created to investigate President Trump's repeated claims, presented without evidence, of significant voter fraud in the 2016 election.

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... investigate President Trump's repeated claims, presented without evidence ...
When the will some people start to recognize that when Trump makes a claim, the impetus should be on him to provide proof.
Instead, what happens is Trump sits back and lets others run around trying to find some variant form of his claim they are going to claim has value...


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When Kobach addressed the controversy by noting that he may not have used the precise language to capture the "complex legal issue" but still said that "until further research is done, we will never know the answer regarding the legitimacy of this particular election," Dunlap pushed back.
So, no real evidence of a crime is shown.
But "legitimacy" is proclaimed as an unknown thing until after you've wasted tax payer money digging for dirt?!?!????



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"New Hampshire voters are fed up with the lies that President Trump and his sham voting commission are spreading about voter fraud in their state," Kander said in a statement.

"The foundation of Trump's sham commission is the biggest lie ever told by a U.S. President - that millions of illegal votes were cast in the last election."
But some people still can't comprehend how Trump has culpability for dividing the country...
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When Trump says or does something the Trumpsters believe it unconditionally, like the wall or millions of illegal voters or any one of the who knows how many outright lies he has told. Then when a sane person points it out, they are the ones lying. It's I dunno...Crazy?
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When the will some people start to recognize that when Trump makes a claim, the impetus should be on him to provide proof.
Instead, what happens is Trump sits back and lets others run around trying to find some variant form of his claim they are going to claim has value...
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Hey guys do mention the idiot Kobach, please...

BTW foundit66 you nailed it......... And Surly comes in second...
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Just what was Trump and Kobach thinking by having this voter commission split between Dems & Republicans. This is going to go where, IMHO.

Kobach, was proven that KS., had but 1 illegal voter while he said it was many.

Doing crap like this isn't helping unit the parties.. And what about his proposal to subject voter registration to the same background check system used to clear gun sales..

Are you for Kobach proposal or is it going to far?



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Any voter background check is totally unworkable. There are over 200 million voters and about 2,5 million firearm UBC/year. Ain't gonna happen.

We can't even something as simple as Voter ID in place.
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But some people still can't comprehend how Trump has culpability for dividing the country...
Bullsh1t.

The left divided our country long before Trump ever put his foot in the ring.

You idiots are the ones who divide us every frickin day.

We are a country forced into bullsh1t by the left like the ACA act.

You fuqer's are the problem. v

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Look at your post Kirk, when has foundit66 ever talked to you like that? Kirk, you are the problem with this country.
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Bullsh1t.

The left divided our country long before Trump ever put his foot in the ring.

You idiots are the ones who divide us every frickin day.

We are a country forced into bullsh1t by the left like the ACA act.

You fuqer's are the problem. v

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When the will some people start to recognize that when Trump makes a claim, the impetus should be on him to provide proof.
Instead, what happens is Trump sits back and lets others run around trying to find some variant form of his claim they are going to claim has value...


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So, no real evidence of a crime is shown.
But "legitimacy" is proclaimed as an unknown thing until after you've wasted tax payer money digging for dirt?!?!????




But some people still can't comprehend how Trump has culpability for dividing the country...
Trump is trying to find out the facts of voter fraud with gasp, an investigation. An investigation Democrats are frantically trying to block with partisan rhetoric claiming there is no need to look, no problem and even the simplest proposals for improved election integrity are "suppression".

If we actually look at the article instead of spouting polemics about voter suppression and Trump dividing the country, we find the so-called controversy was created by a Democrat playing the age old game of CYA. The "complex legal issue" is NH law allowing election day registration and voting by people considered domiciled in the state. Out of state drivers licenses do not disqualify someone from claiming domiciled status. But hey, the incumbent Democrat Secretary of State claims it is not a problem so blame Trump for dividing the country.

The proposal to use firearms background checks for voting was made by a witness not the committee chair. Once again, the howling and smearing is used to avoid any improvement in election integrity.
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Bullsh1t.
The left divided our country long before Trump ever put his foot in the ring.
To state the obvious, I am not saying Trump is the only problem.
I never said that there was no division before Trump.


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You idiots are the ones who divide us every frickin day.
Your posts ... It's like you need a mirror to understand how much you are in a glass tower hurling stones...
It is astounding that you lack the self-awareness to recognize how divisive and corrosive your approach and mentality is.

Dividing occurs on both sides. Some are more divisive than others.
Trump is one clear example of that.
Instead of being honest and acknowledging that, you immediately turn around and try to blame the other guy.


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We are a country forced into bullsh1t by the left like the ACA act.

And what about building that wall? Can you acknowledge how divisive that is?
Most Voters Say ?No? To Border Wall - Rasmussen Reports

And regarding the ACA, the majority of Americans agreed we needed something implemented. That's something Republicans refuse to acknowledge.
Too many Republicans see the existence of Obamacare as divisive, but it's not. We should try to improve what we have. But there is no mutual, collaborative effort to identify improvements.


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You fuqer's are the problem.
Regards, Kirk
It's always somebody else's fault to you, isn't it. Always your opposition as you admit no fault on your side, right?


There is blame on both sides.
Trump has been a significant dividing effect. Not a uniting one.
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Trump is trying to find out the facts of voter fraud with gasp, an investigation.
No. He isn't.
He claimed something which has been in no way substantiated.
People who are interested in finding out facts do not start by making them up.


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An investigation Democrats are frantically trying to block with partisan rhetoric claiming there is no need to look, no problem and even the simplest proposals for improved election integrity are "suppression".
ROFLMAO!
It's interesting to note how your sentence twists from a pretense on blocking efforts to determine facts, to noting the actual contention is to prevent Republican efforts for voter disenfranchisement.

There is an ORDER to how this should proceed.
a) Identify IF a problem exists.
b) IF a problem is found, THEN we talk about how to solve it.

What Republicans are throwing forth equates to voter disenfranchisement.


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If we actually look at the article instead of spouting polemics about voter suppression and Trump dividing the country, we find the so-called controversy was created by a Democrat playing the age old game of CYA. The "complex legal issue" is NH law allowing election day registration and voting by people considered domiciled in the state. Out of state drivers licenses do not disqualify someone from claiming domiciled status. But hey, the incumbent Democrat Secretary of State claims it is not a problem so blame Trump for dividing the country.
Simple question for you.
Is what you describe illegal?
It's a simple yes or no answer.

If you claim it is, point to the legislation that makes it illegal.
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