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North Carolina will not have special elections in 2017 in new state legislative districts, but three federal judges ordered lawmakers to draw boundaries to correct what they have ruled to be unconstitutional racial gerrymanders by Sept. 1.

The ruling was issued late Monday.

At a hearing in Greensboro last week, attorneys for legislative leaders asked the judges to give lawmakers until Nov. 15 to approve new maps. U.S. District Judge Catherine Eagles, a Barack Obama appointee in the U.S. Middle District of N.C., and Judge James Wynn, an Obama appointee on the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, raised concerns about the lawmakers’ delay in producing new maps.

“You don’t seem serious,” Eagles said at the hearing in the federal courthouse.

The three-judge panel of Eagles, Wynn and Thomas Schroeder, a George W. Bush appointee in the U.S. Middle District, agreed with the challengers of the legislative districts who sought a quicker remedy to the unconstitutional districts.

“We agree with Plaintiffs that the General Assembly already has had ample time to enact a remedial redistricting plan,” the judges said in their unanimous ruling. “We also agree that constitutionally adequate districts should be enacted as quickly as possible to protect the rights of North Carolina citizens and to minimize any chilling effect on political participation attributable to the continued absence of a districting plan in the face of a finding of unconstitutional racial gerrymandering.”

It was a year ago in August when the judges ruled against the lawmakers, finding that 28 of the 170 districts used to elect North Carolina’s General Assembly members were drawn to weaken the influence of black voters across the state. Then, in November, after the lawmakers had not taken any action to correct the unconstitutional districts, the three-judge panel ordered new maps to be drawn and special elections held in any changed districts by March 2017.

The lawmakers appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which put a halt to the previously ordered 2017 elections. In June, the justices unanimously affirmed the three-judge panel’s finding that lawmakers had packed too many African-Americans into 28 districts.

In the schedule included in the court order issued Monday, the federal judges told lawmakers that within a week of enacting new district plans they must share the maps with the court and include any accompanying transcripts and documents. The challengers then will have until Sept. 15 to file any objections to the new plans and submit any alternates.

“The court’s decision affirms the urgency with which we must address this wrong committed against North Carolina voters,” Allison Riggs, senior attorney at the Southern Coalition for Social Justice, said in a statement. “Despite operating as an unconstitutional body, the General Assembly tried to delay redrawing of maps until November 15. This prompt redrawing will allow North Carolinians to at least rest assured, knowing which districts they will be living in come the November 2018 elections, and that the federal court will be reviewing the remedial plans closely to ensure they are legal.”

Attempts to reach Republican legislative leaders were not immediately successful.
Judges issue ruling on NC racial gerrymanders and special elections | News & Observer

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Gerrymandering is a process which needs to be killed off. It circumvents the will of the people, implementing a corruption of governmental power.
Gerrymandering you say? 30 years ago in Thornburg v. Gingles the SCOTUS held that North Carolina gerrymandering had scattered black voters across districks depriving them of electing candidates of their "choice". Now the Court finds the exact opposite, crating black districts is discrimination. The imperial court has adopted the same standard, we know it when we see it, as they applied to pornography.

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Gerrymandering you say? 30 years ago in Thornburg v. Gingles the SCOTUS held that North Carolina gerrymandering had scattered black voters across districks depriving them of electing candidates of their "choice". Now the Court finds the exact opposite, crating black districts is discrimination. The imperial court has adopted the same standard, we know it when we see it, as they applied to pornography.

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What the hell has a 30-year-old SCOTUS ruling have to do unconstitutional racial gerrymandering in this century?
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What the hell has a 30-year-old SCOTUS ruling have to do unconstitutional racial gerrymandering in this century?
First the SCOTUS holds it is gerrymandering to spread the black vote over multiple districts. Now it holds just the opposite, "concentrating" the black vote is unconstitutional. They are 2 diametrically opposed policies. The only way it makes sense is that so-called gerrymandering is something bad that explains why Republicans won the election.
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First the SCOTUS holds it is gerrymandering to spread the black vote over multiple districts. Now it holds just the opposite, "concentrating" the black vote is unconstitutional. They are 2 diametrically opposed policies. The only way it makes sense is that so-called gerrymandering is something bad that explains why Republicans won the election.
In other words yer moving the goal post for field goal kicker Red Herring.GOT IT!
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In other words yer moving the goal post for field goal kicker Red Herring.GOT IT!
Exactly. It's a bad distraction ploy. A flimsy attempt at thread derailment.

AZRWinger's argument is flawed in that it is like pretending that if the court rules that providing too much water (e.g. drowning) is wrong, then implying that the court should not be able to rule providing too little water (e.g. dehydration) is also wrong.
BOTH are wrong.

Likewise, our government should not be drawing district lines for the purpose of weakening one party's and/or race's voting power. Just because there are different methods to achieve that goal does not mean that BOTH methods can't be recognized as wrong.

Furthermore, AZRWinger's approach is disgusting. Anybody should be able to look at the gerrymandering involved and recognize something ridiculously wrong about the lines being drawn.
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First the SCOTUS holds it is gerrymandering to spread the black vote over multiple districts. Now it holds just the opposite, "concentrating" the black vote is unconstitutional. They are 2 diametrically opposed policies. The only way it makes sense is that so-called gerrymandering is something bad that explains why Republicans won the election.
You are trying to confuse the electoral vote with gerrymandering on a State and local level. What a load you are full of.
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In other words yer moving the goal post for field goal kicker Red Herring.GOT IT!
Another magic 8 ball response. Do you have a response to the Court's hypocrisy besides another slogan?
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Gerrymandering is a process which needs to be killed off. It circumvents the will of the people, implementing a corruption of governmental power.
The only thing that should be taken into account when district maps are drawn is the number of American citizens 18 years of age or older. Party affiliation, race,sex, or any other thing should not be taken into account when drawing up these maps.That is the way to make sure the will of the people is not circumvented.
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The only thing that should be taken into account when district maps are drawn is the number of American citizens 18 years of age or older. Party affiliation, race,sex, or any other thing should not be taken into account when drawing up these maps.That is the way to make sure the will of the people is not circumvented.
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