Political Wrinkles  

Go Back   Political Wrinkles > Political Forums > Elections
Register FAQDonate PW Store PW Trivia Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Elections Discuss Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by saltwn Ayers is a great American. He's an educator. He was a 60's radical AS WERE WE ...

Reply
 
Share LinkBack (4) Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 10-21-2008, 02:45 AM
cnredd's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Philadelphia
Gender: Male
Posts: 53,279
Thanks: 2,072
Thanked 32,971 Times in 19,182 Posts
Default Re: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years)

Quote:
Originally Posted by saltwn View Post
Ayers is a great American. He's an educator. He was a 60's radical AS WERE WE ALL UNLESS WE WERE ASLEEP DURING THE VIETNAM WAR.
This isn't from the 60s...

This is from 2002...

Tell me again how he's a "great American"...

__________________
"You get the respect that you give" - cnredd
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 10-21-2008, 04:05 AM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Esto perpetua
Posts: 77,077
Thanks: 54,268
Thanked 25,778 Times in 18,364 Posts
Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cnredd View Post
I have more respect for him than I do Jane Fonda who has recanted her youthful ventures.
And yes. I think he is a great American. You can be a Marxist or a Catholic or an Evangelical or a Republican or Muslim or a Libertarian and still be a great American.
Those are just ideologies. My ideology might shock you; your ideology might shock me. Biggie Wow
America isn't a box. It is not one thing to be or one ideology to follow. Being American means you have the right to follow your dream or follow the leader. Follow the yellow brick road or whatever.
There were many who embraced Marxism in the 50's and 60's. There are those who embrace it now. Some of them are old hippies. Some are white supremists. And everything else you could possibly imagine.
There were people who were searching (as during the enlightenment) in the 60's for spirituality, for expansion of the mind and society. Our country was formed from such free soul searching and reading and observation. All this searching lead to conclusions by some. Some are still searching.
The reason this stuff scares you is because you don't look back on a time when people were struggling against insermounable obstacles to survive.
A vast amount of Birmingam Alabama looked like a third world country.
As recently as the 70's people in America ( illegally) still owned other people.
The Vietnam war era is hard to feature if you weren't there or you were in a comma. People whose whole family was gung ho military advising their friends not to go cause it was a slaughter. Suicide. Of couse if you didn't go you could be arrested tried and killed. And the people who sent us to war knew it was a slaughter. The French spent years there. They knew and they tried to tell us it was bloody folly. We were fighting a proxie war with Russia. (In Korea we had been fighting a proxie war with China.) They lied about the Gulf of Tolkin. We were never provoked into that war . We went into it to make some guys richer than they already were. And if you were a black man or a Mexican American or a Native American, you could be drafted alright, but at home you could get your nutts crushed or your head knocked in or castrated by the local police or sometimes a private citizen and not have legal recourse.

The reason there was so much extremism was because of the militaristic society we lived in. The reason we got Regan was the liberalism we lived in.
The pendulum swings when there is an imbalance.
Conservatives are more in to not changing their society. Liberals are into changing, changing. Sometimes we need one. At other times another. Today's Republican politicians have fuzzied the lines and gone too far right. America has already spoken. America has embraced the left. McCain, accused of being a Liberal by his own party, is the Republican candidate and Obama, the Democrat, is much further left than any top candidate in 40 years.
Many see the 80's elitism, and this Bush term as Natzism.
And given those choices between Hitler and Karl Marx...
I believe I'll take Marxism.
__________________
Mueller is good at witch hunting. Its raining witches. America is GREAT.

Doreen E
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 10-27-2008, 01:33 AM
One
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Central Florida
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,819
Thanks: 526
Thanked 524 Times in 411 Posts
Default Re: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years)

Quote:
Originally Posted by saltwn View Post
I have more respect for him than I do Jane Fonda who has recanted her youthful ventures.
And yes. I think he is a great American. You can be a Marxist or a Catholic or an Evangelical or a Republican or Muslim or a Libertarian and still be a great American.
Those are just ideologies. My ideology might shock you; your ideology might shock me. Biggie Wow
America isn't a box. It is not one thing to be or one ideology to follow. Being American means you have the right to follow your dream or follow the leader. Follow the yellow brick road or whatever.
There were many who embraced Marxism in the 50's and 60's. There are those who embrace it now. Some of them are old hippies. Some are white supremists. And everything else you could possibly imagine.
There were people who were searching (as during the enlightenment) in the 60's for spirituality, for expansion of the mind and society. Our country was formed from such free soul searching and reading and observation. All this searching lead to conclusions by some. Some are still searching.
The reason this stuff scares you is because you don't look back on a time when people were struggling against insermounable obstacles to survive.
A vast amount of Birmingam Alabama looked like a third world country.
As recently as the 70's people in America ( illegally) still owned other people.
The Vietnam war era is hard to feature if you weren't there or you were in a comma. People whose whole family was gung ho military advising their friends not to go cause it was a slaughter. Suicide. Of couse if you didn't go you could be arrested tried and killed. And the people who sent us to war knew it was a slaughter. The French spent years there. They knew and they tried to tell us it was bloody folly. We were fighting a proxie war with Russia. (In Korea we had been fighting a proxie war with China.) They lied about the Gulf of Tolkin. We were never provoked into that war . We went into it to make some guys richer than they already were. And if you were a black man or a Mexican American or a Native American, you could be drafted alright, but at home you could get your nutts crushed or your head knocked in or castrated by the local police or sometimes a private citizen and not have legal recourse.

The reason there was so much extremism was because of the militaristic society we lived in. The reason we got Regan was the liberalism we lived in.
The pendulum swings when there is an imbalance.
Conservatives are more in to not changing their society. Liberals are into changing, changing. Sometimes we need one. At other times another. Today's Republican politicians have fuzzied the lines and gone too far right. America has already spoken. America has embraced the left. McCain, accused of being a Liberal by his own party, is the Republican candidate and Obama, the Democrat, is much further left than any top candidate in 40 years.
Many see the 80's elitism, and this Bush term as Natzism.
And given those choices between Hitler and Karl Marx...
I believe I'll take Marxism.
Unfortunately Hitler was a socialist.......like modern liberals.......By the way Marx and Lenin BOTH caused more deaths than WWII did.
Watch and see how NAZI like Obama's regime will be. A prime example is what happened to "Joe the plumber" just because he dared to "ask a question". He was directly attacked by both Obama and Obiden....YES DIRECTLY attacked several times from their high and mighty pulpits on the campaign trail. Funny you keep hearing that Palin won't do interviews or press conferences or answer questions (which just ain't so Joe).........check to see what forums Obama and Biden have been on....they both keep disappearing for "medical" reasons like the emergency granny broken hip that Obama took three days to even leave for....that was 3 days after it was announced which was 3 days after she got OUT of the hospital for it. But you know she might not even make it to election day.......

Check out a book called "Liberal Facism" by Jonah Goldberg and you will have your mind opened.
__________________
"Most people can't think, most of the remainder won't think, the small fraction who do think mostly can't do it very well. The extremely tiny fraction who think regularly, accurately, creatively and without self delusion---In the long run these are the only people that count." ***** Robert Heinlein
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 10-27-2008, 01:50 PM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Esto perpetua
Posts: 77,077
Thanks: 54,268
Thanked 25,778 Times in 18,364 Posts
Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adept1 View Post
Unfortunately Hitler was a socialist.......like modern liberals.......By the way Marx and Lenin BOTH caused more deaths than WWII did.
Watch and see how NAZI like Obama's regime will be. A prime example is what happened to "Joe the plumber" just because he dared to "ask a question". He was directly attacked by both Obama and Obiden....YES DIRECTLY attacked several times from their high and mighty pulpits on the campaign trail. Funny you keep hearing that Palin won't do interviews or press conferences or answer questions (which just ain't so Joe).........check to see what forums Obama and Biden have been on....they both keep disappearing for "medical" reasons like the emergency granny broken hip that Obama took three days to even leave for....that was 3 days after it was announced which was 3 days after she got OUT of the hospital for it. But you know she might not even make it to election day.......

Check out a book called "Liberal Facism" by Jonah Goldberg and you will have your mind opened.
Obama answered Joe's question at the event where it was asked. He talked to Joe. Then the McCain campaign decided to make some points with "Joe the Plumber" as a slogan since they don't really have one of their own. So the Obama camp was right to come back with something. Now because that something discredits McCain's whole theory about Joe the Plumber, the right is charging that Obama "attacked" Joe. Hogwash and silly feathers! LOL
As for isms do we really want to compare a revolution to today? We had our revolution and formed a Democracy with representation. France had a revolution and is now a country of capitalism with socialist domestic policy. Russia had a revolution and went through socialist viewpoints and communist outcomes to arrive at a totalitarian regime. Now they are supposed to be capitalist. They are but with oppression. They condemn socialism because it would wreck their party's party. China is capitolist and communist.
Their revolution turned them communist because they didn't want an emporer.
Of course non of these are cut and dried. There were other circumstances and wars that came into play as well as trade came into play.
When we see we are impeding trade we move toward a more totalitarian government. Why I have no idea, except that that is the safest bet at the time which it always seems is an emergency situation.
If we all sat down in a non emergency situation just once and thought it over, we would come up with a combination of some of these ideologies.
The Patriot Act = Facism
That is the over riding factor today.
The economy was purely capitolist by somebody's agenda but not by mine. In a purely capitalistic society, I would not be paying higher fees to sell my goods over seas than they pay to sell to me.
We have never had pure socialism in this country nor will we ever. But some things like social security are good for the insurance that seniors will not be begging in the streets. And health care reform of some kind is needed. A tax break is good unless you are homeless and don't have any taxes coming back.
Unless you are a woman whose husband handles all the finances and you can't get your hands on your taxes. Unless you are a child and don't pay into the tax system although you are a commodoty to some who do.
The world is not black and white. Let's have a little military protection and a little help for our underprivaleged friends.
__________________
Mueller is good at witch hunting. Its raining witches. America is GREAT.

Doreen E
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
and, ayers, communist, for, klonsy, obama, office, shared, three, update, years

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump

LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/elections/5024-obama-ayers-shared-office-update-three-years.html
Posted By For Type Date
Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) | Verum Serum This thread Refback 09-22-2011 12:06 PM
Barack Obama’s review of William Ayers' book zomblog This thread Refback 09-16-2011 06:51 AM
Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) | Verum Serum This thread Refback 08-29-2011 03:04 AM
Giving Obama Credit Where Due | Verum Serum This thread Refback 10-19-2008 02:17 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0