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Default Despite Objections from the left and right, VoterFraud does exist.

From 30,000 dead people in North Carolina to 4 million illegals and felons in California, the beat goes on.

But when Trump brings it up, he is mocked. What a scam.

Time to look in to this for real.

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Democrats have railed against voter ID laws…but Democratic National Convention officials will only issue credentials to those who present state-issued IDs. The DNC’s website says that ‘all pickup persons must have a state-issued ID that matches the name submitted’ to receive credentials. Media members attending the DNC have to present photo IDs at multiple checkpoints. But even as Democrats require IDs to enter their convention and The Voter Integrity Project discovered there were 30,000 dead North Carolinians still on the state’s voter rolls, Democrats continue to fiercely oppose voter ID laws.”
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From 30,000 dead people in North Carolina to 4 million illegals and felons in California, the beat goes on.

But when Trump brings it up, he is mocked. What a scam.

Time to look in to this for real.

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Democrats have railed against voter ID laws…but Democratic National Convention officials will only issue credentials to those who present state-issued IDs. The DNC’s website says that ‘all pickup persons must have a state-issued ID that matches the name submitted’ to receive credentials. Media members attending the DNC have to present photo IDs at multiple checkpoints. But even as Democrats require IDs to enter their convention and The Voter Integrity Project discovered there were 30,000 dead North Carolinians still on the state’s voter rolls, Democrats continue to fiercely oppose voter ID laws.”

Your article seems to be dealing with Voter Registration issues. Not actual Voter Fraud. Do you have evidence of actual Voter Fraud?

Democrats wouldn't be so quick to mock Donald Trump if he didn't lie about voter fraud numbers.

Democrats wouldn't sigh condescendingly at the motives of Trump and Republicans who claim 'voter fraud' but then they outright deny and deflect when Russian meddling in our elections actually has been proven to have happened.

Democrats wouldn't sigh condescendingly at the motives of Republicans if they didn't constantly reduce and remove accountability for election machines that are susceptible to hacking.

Democrats wouldn't be so quick to deride voter ID laws if they weren't so blatantly intended to lower Minority voter turnout.

Study: Those Allegedly Racist Voter ID Laws Are Actually Pretty Racist | GQ
In general elections in non-strict states, for instance, the gap between white and Latino turnout is on average 4.9 points. But in states with strict ID laws, that gap grows to a substantial 13.2 points.

All else equal, when strict ID laws are instituted, the turnout gap between Republicans and Democrats in primary contests more than doubles from 4.3 points to 9.8 points. Likewise, the turnout gap between conservative and liberal voters more than doubles from 7.7 to 20.4 points. The gap between white turnout and Asian American and African American turnout also increases.

By instituting strict voter ID laws, states can alter the electorate and shift outcomes toward those on the right.

Unsurprisingly, these strict ID laws are passed almost exclusively by Republican legislatures.
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FrancSevin, how many of those dead people actually "voted"?
If you can't show any that did, THAT IS NOT VOTER FRAUD

The other thing is that both Repubs and Dems should be able to get behind purging voter records of the deceased.
THAT is how you deal with that situation.
Using a red state's sloppy record keeping as an excuse to disenfranchise voters is repugnant.


And regarding California, that claim has been refuted so many times I'm amazed you're still trying to use it...
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...did-not-vote-/
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Talk about fake news...
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Your article seems to be dealing with Voter Registration issues. Not actual Voter Fraud. Do you have evidence of actual Voter Fraud?

Democrats wouldn't be so quick to mock Donald Trump if he didn't lie about voter fraud numbers.

Democrats wouldn't sigh condescendingly at the motives of Trump and Republicans who claim 'voter fraud' but then they outright deny and deflect when Russian meddling in our elections actually has been proven to have happened.

Democrats wouldn't sigh condescendingly at the motives of Republicans if they didn't constantly reduce and remove accountability for election machines that are susceptible to hacking.

Democrats wouldn't be so quick to deride voter ID laws if they weren't so blatantly intended to lower Minority voter turnout.

Study: Those Allegedly Racist Voter ID Laws Are Actually Pretty Racist | GQ
In general elections in non-strict states, for instance, the gap between white and Latino turnout is on average 4.9 points. But in states with strict ID laws, that gap grows to a substantial 13.2 points.

All else equal, when strict ID laws are instituted, the turnout gap between Republicans and Democrats in primary contests more than doubles from 4.3 points to 9.8 points. Likewise, the turnout gap between conservative and liberal voters more than doubles from 7.7 to 20.4 points. The gap between white turnout and Asian American and African American turnout also increases.

By instituting strict voter ID laws, states can alter the electorate and shift outcomes toward those on the right.

Unsurprisingly, these strict ID laws are passed almost exclusively by Republican legislatures.
The gap between white and minority voter turn out is typical Left wing racist palaver, suggesting racial quotas for voting. Oh my, requiring voter ID for ALL voters is racist because fewer Democrat block voters participate. It is typical paternalism to suggest minorities are unable to get simple ID, a ubiquitous requirement in everyday life, to meet simple requirements.

North Carolina is among the states required to tailor voting laws and rolls to the whim of the DOJ political appointees so it's no surprise they are remiss in removing the dead from the rolls. Of course Democrat statists invested in an ever expanding Federal government will clamore for Federal political appointees to keep the door open for fraud.
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FrancSevin, how many of those dead people actually "voted"?
If you can't show any that did, THAT IS NOT VOTER FRAUD
I guess it's kinda hard to know that since no one is willing to actually investigate it.

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The other thing is that both Repubs and Dems should be able to get behind purging voter records of the deceased.
THAT is how you deal with that situation.
Using a red state's sloppy record keeping as an excuse to disenfranchise voters is repugnant.
I fail to understand why and how requiring a person to provide proof of who they are and proof of citizenenship is "disenfranchisement".
Things that require proof of who one is:
Opening a bank account.
Getting a job.
Getting on an airplane.
Getting on a cruise ship.
Getting on a train. (not intercity transportation)
Renting a car.
Buying a car.
Renting an apartment or house.
Buying a house.
Getting WIC or SNAP.
Getting health insurance (private sector or ACA).
Getting automobile insurance.
Getting homeowners or rentors insurance.
Getting social security.
Getting disability.
Buying a gun.
Buying alcohol or tobacco.
Getting service from a doctor or dentist.

I suppose these "disenfranchised" folk have none of the above since they don't have ID.



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And regarding California, that claim has been refuted so many times I'm amazed you're still trying to use it...
Fact-check: Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in this year's election? | PunditFact
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I guess it's kinda hard to know that since no one is willing to actually investigate it.


I fail to understand why and how requiring a person to provide proof of who they are and proof of citizenenship is "disenfranchisement".
Things that require proof of who one is:
Opening a bank account.
Getting a job.
Getting on an airplane.
Getting on a cruise ship.
Getting on a train. (not intercity transportation)
Renting a car.
Buying a car.
Renting an apartment or house.
Buying a house.
Getting WIC or SNAP.
Getting health insurance (private sector or ACA).
Getting automobile insurance.
Getting homeowners or rentors insurance.
Getting social security.
Getting disability.
Buying a gun.
Buying alcohol or tobacco.
Getting service from a doctor or dentist.

I suppose these "disenfranchised" folk have none of the above since they don't have ID.
You forgot having to show and ID to enter the Democratic convention.
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I fail to understand why and how requiring a person to provide proof of who they are and proof of citizenenship is "disenfranchisement".
Things that require proof of who one is:
Opening a bank account.
Getting a job.
Getting on an airplane.
Getting on a cruise ship.
Getting on a train. (not intercity transportation)
Renting a car.
Buying a car.
Renting an apartment or house.
Buying a house.
Getting WIC or SNAP.
Getting health insurance (private sector or ACA).
Getting automobile insurance.
Getting homeowners or rentors insurance.
Getting social security.
Getting disability.
Buying a gun.
Buying alcohol or tobacco.
Getting service from a doctor or dentist.

I suppose these "disenfranchised" folk have none of the above since they don't have ID.
You know what else requires photo IDs?...

DEMOCRAT EVENTS!...

DNC Requires IDs To Enter Convention
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If Republicans were so sure that the majority of Americans want Republican plans and policy, then why are they always trying to make it harder for Americans to vote?
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For year republican pols have wondered why so many more voters tend to choose the other party. and the conservative voters themselves can't believe it so it's easy for pols to fool them into thinking there's fraud.

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