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The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.

The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Oabama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."

News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.

Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.

“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.

He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.

Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”

We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
If it bleeds; it leads...

If it doesn't bleed, just say it does so Obama supporters can pretend they were going to vote for McCan until he went so negative and his supporters followed...

"Why is this relevant" you may ask?...

Simple...

Because Obama himself used the lie in a presidential debate...

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OBAMA: I mean, look, if we want to talk about Congressman Lewis, who is an American hero, he, unprompted by my campaign, without my campaign's awareness, made a statement that he was troubled with what he was hearing at some of the rallies that your running mate was holding, in which all the Republican reports indicated were shouting, when my name came up, things like "terrorist" and "kill him," and that you're running mate didn't mention, didn't stop, didn't say "Hold on a second, that's kind of out of line."
perception of non-existant negativity becoming the reality of non-existant negativity...

Have fun voting for that...
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Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded

If it bleeds; it leads...

If it doesn't bleed, just say it does so Obama supporters can pretend they were going to vote for McCan until he went so negative and his supporters followed...

"Why is this relevant" you may ask?...

Simple...

Because Obama himself used the lie in a presidential debate...

perception of non-existant negativity becoming the reality of non-existant negativity...

Have fun voting for that...
You neglect the fact the "allegations" and innuendos put forward during McCain's campaign through e mails, radio talk shows and the crazy side of internet blogging were whipped up to a frenzy which Sarah Palin stirred with a great big stinky stick.
Hatred is still building for the Democrat candidate. You can tell when people call in talk shows and rail against McCain for saying Obama was a decent man.
Maybe the Secret Service doesn't want to look bad. But I believe people do say those things.
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If it doesn't bleed, just say it does so Obama supporters can pretend they were going to vote for McCan until he went so negative and his supporters followed...
Since Saltwn addressed the rest of your post quite adequately, I wanted to address this, which has been bothering me for a while.

I was a true undecided voter, and I had very long discussions (sometimes heated arguments) with my husband because I very much embraced the idea of voting for McCain - in true blue New Jersey it may not have been the popular choice, but at some point I thought he might just be the "better" guy. I can truthfully say that Mrs. Palin was the true nail in the coffin. Now I watched him in the debate yesterday, and I was disappointed - - he even tried to paint Obama's "eloquence" as a bad thing. If the only way you can build yourself up is by tearing others down, you're not the candidate for me. Also his constant trip down memory lane touting his accomplishments was just as annoying as when my grandmother does it. Talk about beating a dead horse, .

So there... those of us who are not voting for McCain are not doing so just because we have not thought it through. And your calling me (and others like me) a liar every now and then pisses me off, .
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Since Saltwn addressed the rest of your post quite adequately, I wanted to address this, which has been bothering me for a while.

I was a true undecided voter, and I had very long discussions (sometimes heated arguments) with my husband because I very much embraced the idea of voting for McCain - in true blue New Jersey it may not have been the popular choice, but at some point I thought he might just be the "better" guy. I can truthfully say that Mrs. Palin was the true nail in the coffin. Now I watched him in the debate yesterday, and I was disappointed - - he even tried to paint Obama's "eloquence" as a bad thing. If the only way you can build yourself up is by tearing others down, you're not the candidate for me. Also his constant trip down memory lane touting his accomplishments was just as annoying as when my grandmother does it. Talk about beating a dead horse, .

So there... those of us who are not voting for McCain are not doing so just because we have not thought it through. And your calling me (and others like me) a liar every now and then pisses me off, .
Here's you in May...Long before Palin...

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In true political style, McCain seems to want to play the "fear card" into the Oval office.
Here's you post in July attacking McCain for saying he'd talk to the US's enemies and trying to equate it with Obama's "without preconditions" position...Long before Palin...

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Tell me again how only the oh so inexperienced, naive and dimwitted Obama will EVER have an open dialogue with a member of the "axis of evil"
And here's you in August...Long before Palin...

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Yet another low for the McCain campaign, . If I were Obama I would go ahead and shave my head to show there are no sixes (or are there??),
You can TELL US that you just might have voted for McCain until Palin, but there is NOTHING on this forum that even has an inkling of you doing so...In fact, quite the opposite...I'm not privy to your arguments at home, so I can only go by what I see...

And on this very forum, you can't provide me with ONE post you've created before Palin showed up that showed even the SLIGHTEST chance that you ever thought about voting for McCain or evidence of you being "truly undecided"...
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Might I remind you that we all expected McCain to be the Republican nominee since as early as January.

The first post is related to my anti-war stance and the fact that McCain is pro-war, and to the fact that I don't like to be manipulated. Just because I disagree with him on this issue (as I am sure there are many issues on which you disagree with him as well) does not mean that at that point in time I wasn't still considering him a candidate, I favor his immigration stance - which I'm sure you despise. Probably all the things you don't agree with him on are the ones that I favor.

The second post is just you being misleading. That was referring to Bush not McCain. Oh, but sorry, I guess even in your mind Bush and McCain are McSame,

http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ele...errorists.html

By August (just two months ago), I was already leaning very heavily towards Obama - hell, who are we kidding, I was 80-20. As I said, Palin was just the nail on the coffin, when I knew for a fact that I would never vote for McCain.

Take it as you may. I am a registered Democrat and have nothing to gain by saying that I contemplated voting for McCain. I just don't like to be called a liar,
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Might I remind you that we all expected McCain to be the Republican nominee since as early as January.

The first post is related to my anti-war stance and the fact that McCain is pro-war, and to the fact that I don't like to be manipulated. Just because I disagree with him on this issue (as I am sure there are many issues on which you disagree with him as well) does not mean that at that point in time I wasn't still considering him a candidate, I favor his immigration stance - which I'm sure you despise. Probably all the things you don't agree with him on are the ones that I favor.

The second post is just you being misleading. That was referring to Bush not McCain. Oh, but sorry, I guess even in your mind Bush and McCain are McSame,

http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ele...errorists.html

By August (just two months ago), I was already leaning very heavily towards Obama - hell, who are we kidding, I was 80-20. As I said, Palin was just the nail on the coffin, when I knew for a fact that I would never vote for McCain.

Take it as you may. I am a registered Democrat and have nothing to gain by saying that I contemplated voting for McCain. I just don't like to be called a liar,
As I said, I can only go by what I see...
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cnredd: so Obama supporters can pretend they were going to vote for McCan until he went so negative and his supporters followed...

I voted for McCain in the Republican primary.
I intended to vote for him until negative ads made me sick sick sick. I was mostly in New Mexico and Nevada listening to the radio talk shows. Flipping around trying to find a decent balance or the other side. Even the left leaning talk shows had commercials running outrageous claims and insinuations.
Somewhere close to that time, McCain announced his choice for veep. I liked her first speech (at the convention). Of course I tried to research her history. I kept coming up empty handed and/or with more questions than answers.

I do admire McCain for being his own man and not picking the guy who was hand picked for him-Mitt Romney, when he by the reports I read had always wanted Lieberman. But what McCain failed to realize is that you have to have a viable ticket. Introducing Sarah Palin and giving her this exposure has helped her career immensely. It has done nothing to boost the McCain ticket.

Then with the full out negative campaign giving little time to issues, I scrutinized each team's actual plans and ideas for their administration.

In the final analysis, the one reason I would now vote for McCain would be on the abortion issue.
So here's how I weighed it out-
Continue to send jobs over seas- but get a SC nominee friendly to over turning RvWade.
Quit allowing deregulation to erode the economy- or get Roe v Wade overturned
Get comprehensive health care for all Americans and quit having people raise my premiums by using the emergency room as a last resort for a preventable illness- or get Roe v Wade overturned
Focus on Afghanistan and phasing troops out of Iraq- or overturn Roe v Wade
Put some teeth in unions thereby lifting the living wage for us all-or overturn R vWade

Have a President and a Vice President committed to hooking alternative energy sources to the grid- or over turn R v W
Have leaders who are articulate and intelligent and well liked by friends and even some enemies represent me to the world- or overturn Roe vs. Wade.


So I came to the difficult decision to put aside my feelings for one issue. And that sentence does not adequately convey how hard that truly was.

This is how I resolve the abortion issue for my own personal spirituality:
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We already know that abortion rates in Belgium and Holland, which have a strong social safety net, are around 6 per 1,000 women of child-bearing age, while the rates in the United States are around 23 or 24. I contend that we have something to learn from Belgium and Holland's more just support for mothers and babies, and their healthcare insurance for all citizens.-AGI
These are the some of the facts I base my choice on.
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Continue to send jobs over seas- but get a SC nominee friendly to over turning RvWade.
Quit allowing deregulation to erode the economy- or get Roe v Wade overturned
Get comprehensive health care for all Americans and quit having people raise my premiums by using the emergency room as a last resort for a preventable illness- or get Roe v Wade overturned
Focus on Afghanistan and phasing troops out of Iraq- or overturn Roe v Wade
Put some teeth in unions thereby lifting the living wage for us all-or overturn R vWade

Have a President and a Vice President committed to hooking alternative energy sources to the grid- or over turn R v W
Have leaders who are articulate and intelligent and well liked by friends and even some enemies represent me to the world- or overturn Roe vs. Wade.[/color]
How is either presidential nominee going to send or stop sending jobs over seas?
You do realize that it was the government's regulation/manipulation/mandate (CRA) & subsequent tweeking of it that caused the housing melt down that morphed into the credit crunch; right? Right on the Mark: How Did We Get Here?
McCain has told us he's going to give a $5000 tax credit for families to purchase their own health insurance while Obama says he'll let us buy into the same system he & McCain enjoy but never tells us how that's going to happen.
Both men seem to agree about refocusing on Afghanistan --- however, I'd like to make sure we have complete victory in Iraq before leaving just for the sake of leaving.
As a union member --- it's not all that it's cracked up to be. And, unions depend on low paying jobs --- if they paid as well as union jobs the unions would have to work harder for their members. If non-union jobs paid as well as union jobs who would you work for? The job that required you pay a monthly fee or the one that doesn't?
Both candidates appear to be similar in their focus on energy. Although, wind & solar isn't going to power my car to get back & forth to work.
Your last statement is subjective & I hope you're not trying to say that one of the candidates is unintelligent.
And, then there's Rov vs. Wade...
While neither candidate is perfect --- as a matter of fact I didn't vote for either one during the primaries --- one is clearly more in line with my political viewpoint than the other.
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Sounds like it could have been said at this rally, but I'm not sure. There is no verifiable audio, but based upon other background from McCain campaign stops I wouldn't be shocked.
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Sounds like it could have been said at this rally, but I'm not sure. There is no verifiable audio, but based upon other background from McCain campaign stops I wouldn't be shocked.
I would love to know what the very first shouted thing was. It sounded pretty damn close, but overwhelmed by other "blah, blah, blah".

And McCain's follow-on is hilarious.
They shout out all this negative crap, then McCain says "You ask such questions, and all you get in response is another angry barrage of insults"

Dude. YOU ARE MORE ACCURATELY TALKING ABOUT YOUR SUPPORTERS...
You brought him up, and "all you got in response was another angry barrage of insults..."
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