Barack Obama - New Party candidate - Page 2

Spencer Collins · #11 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Is it just me or are the two moderates on here becoming the flamers?

Somebody stop me. I'm on a roll.
(p.s.-flaming liberals-not flaming gays

)

Anyone who knows me knows that I'm big on civil rights "in most cases" and a fiscal conservative. Translated...I like helping people but not without "conditions"..

I guess I'm still a moderate..I vote R and 3rd party all the time at the local level...

dabateman · #12 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 02:56 AM

I vote Republican as long as they can't touch the Constitution which is President, Senator, Representative, Governor, State Senator, and State Representative not to mention all judges at a statewide and federal level.

School board? Mayor? Local judge? Sure.

It's just that I'm that fed up with the failure of the party to do the right thing on social issues.

saltwn · #13 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

Anyone who knows me knows that I'm big on civil rights "in most cases" and a fiscal conservative. Translated...I like helping people but not without "conditions"..

I guess I'm still a moderate..I vote R and 3rd party all the time at the local level...

Dat's da ting about dem In-deep-in-dance, you just can't trust 'em.

cnredd · #14 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 03:42 AM

So far, only one post even comes close to dealing with the actual issue at hand...The rest are funny (not in a good way)...

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Originally Posted by Kizzume

They ARE doing their job by not doing stories on this kind of right wing propaganda. Oh no, the "S" word! Everyone get out your McCarthyism handbook and start reporting your neighbors!

First, I'd like to see you contort your way out of the straightjacket and explain how this is "rightwing propaganda" when I've sourced THREE ANTI-RIGHTWING ESTABLISHMENTS....

How on EARTH can you call it "rightwing propaganda" when the links are taken DIRECTLY from the New Party's own website, Populist Progressive, and the Chicago Branch of the Social Democrats of America is far beyond me...I don't live in Bizarro World, and saying my name backwards doesn't send me back to the fifth dimension...

Now...as per the accusation of importance itself....

As I've written previously...

Shouldn't this be something that the PUBLIC DECIDES??????..Don't you think that the media should do their job and REPORT and then see what happens????...

Apparently not, because you would like the media to HIDE simple facts so your candidate gets the advantage...Welcome to America 2008...

Here's how absurd you logic of "it's not important" is...

Wanna know Obama's favorite music is?...Go right here...

Wanna see pictures of Obama on the beach?...here ya go...

Wanna know that Obama represented the Socialist Party in America?...

NO!!!!!...DESN'T MATTER!!!!...THE PUBLIC CAN'T DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES!!!!!!

Absolutely pathetic...

I bet Obama could walk up to a microphone tomorrow and admit he has sex with underage Fillapino boys, and the supporters would jump in and automatically defend him...

"Of course he has sex with them...being a Senator's a tough job and he NEEDS relief!!!!"...

saltwn · #15 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

So far, only one post even comes close to dealing with the actual issue at hand...The rest are funny (not in a good way)...

...

I answered seriously in my first post of this thread :http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ele...html#post43207
Either you over looked it or you chose to ignore its logic and go for the pundit type of argument.

cnredd · #16 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

I answered seriously in my first post of this thread :http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ele...html#post43207
Either you over looked it or you chose to ignore its logic and go for the pundit type of argument.

No...you countered with an unsourced post that basically says "Some guy said something"...

Sourcing it wouldn't have mattered anyway...OF COURSE you're going to find "economists" that say anything you want to hear...crawl under a rock and you're sure to find someone that AGREES with what anyone wants to hear...

You don't think there aren't any socialist economists out there that don't say exactly what they want so they profess it into the microphone to make it happen?!?!?...

You don't think I couldn't find economists that say what the other economists said was a load of crap?!?!?!...

It works just like doctors who get paid by lawyers to go in front of a jury and tells them their interpretation of the findings...Highest bidder or personal beliefs win...

saltwn · #17 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

No...you countered with an unsourced post that basically says "Some guy said something"...

Sourcing it wouldn't have mattered anyway...OF COURSE you're going to find "economists" that say anything you want to hear...crawl under a rock and you're sure to find someone that AGREES with what anyone wants to hear...

You don't think there aren't any socialist economists out there that don't say exactly what they want so they profess it into the microphone to make it happen?!?!?...

You don't think I couldn't find economists that say what the other economists said was a load of crap?!?!?!...

It works just like doctors who get paid by lawyers to go in front of a jury and tells them their interpretation of the findings...Highest bidder or personal beliefs win...

O.K., I can't find the exact book I would get the best quote from. Where the idea culminates and you can see clearly what I'm talking about. (Read it in 1986 or something and the Amazon has no inside quotes. I don't want to misrepresent the book

)But here are some thoughts these ideas are based on. The ideas being a natural evolution to a Socialistic govt. with a Capitalistic economy.

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The Capitalism part comes in with businesses. Most businesses have a small amount of regulations to follow from the government to allow free markets and the trade of ideas. But what happens when businesses do not feel the same about governments? Maybe in order to get the upper hand in this always competing free market a business needs to get the upper hand in the government. Now the representing part of our government begins to degrade as corporate lobbyists begin to ask your government officials for “favors” in exchange for a special “extra” paycheck. I, like most people, used to believe a Capitalist Republic is the best governing system in this chaotic world, but when I took a closer look my ignorant self was astonished to see that maybe it's not. Maybe that supposedly tried and failed system called Socialism would benefit not only the U.S. government more but also the American people more.
Proposing Socialism as means of solving some problems does not mean I would like to see Capitalism abolished and businesses being taken over by the government as some politicians would like you to believe. It would just be refreshing to see America get a dramatic change in governing systems on certain issues instead of relying solely on people's incentives and businesses that take action.

Schumpeter's theory is that the success of capitalism will lead to a form of corporatism and a fostering of values hostile to capitalism, especially among intellectuals. The intellectual and social climate needed to allow entrepreneurship to thrive will not exist in advanced capitalism; it will be replaced by socialism in some form. There will not be a revolution, but merely a trend in parliaments to elect social democratic parties of one stripe or another. He argued that capitalism's collapse from within will come about as democratic majorities vote for the creation of a welfare state and place restrictions upon entrepreneurship that will burden and destroy the capitalist structure. Schumpeter emphasizes throughout this book that he is analyzing trends, not engaging in political advocacy. In his vision, the intellectual class will play an important role in capitalism's demise.

Social innovation refers to new strategies, concepts, ideas and organizations that meet social needs of all kinds - from working conditions and education to community development and health - and that extend and strengthen civil society.

Social innovation can take place within government, within companies, or within the nonprofit sector (also known as the third sector), but is increasingly seen to happen most effectively in the space between the three sectors.

These thoughts are evolving. People are pondering the solution to pure Capitalism. They know pure Socialism doesn't work. They've been playing with these ideas for awhile now. The one guy Schumpeter was Greenspan's holy grail. The one is from a blogger but she or he sums up the way economists and sociologists have been mulling this over.

faithful_servant · #18 (**permalink**) 10-09-2008, 10:46 AM

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Is it just me or are the two moderates on here becoming the flamers?
Somebody stop me. I'm on a roll.
(p.s.-flaming liberals-not flaming gays)

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Originally Posted by dabateman

I'm okay with either.

Stupid 'mo

(you said you were OK with either

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