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This one's too dumb to believe...

Actually, Obama is counting on the public being too dumb to believe it...

Yesterday, in another thread, I specifically pointed out that Franklin Raines is Obama's economic advisor...

Franklin Raines is the former CEO of Fannie Mae...The same people that gave Obama over $126,000 in donations, ranking him second in Fannie Mae lobbyist money only behind the Banking Committee chairman, Democratic Senator Chris Dodd...

So what happens when a McCain ad points this out?...

The usual...Obama's campaign gets another one of his friends to throw himself under the bus before his Messiah gets hurt by the truth...

Obama denies Raines ties

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The campaign puts out a statement from former Fannie Mae chief Franklin Raines, disowning ties to Obama, after a McCain ad attacked him for the ties.

The Washington Post reported -- with the kind of blind sourcing that suggests the source was Raines -- that Raines had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters."

Raines said in the statement through the campaign, "I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton added an attack:

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This is another flat-out lie from a dishonorable campaign that is increasingly incapable of telling the truth. Frank Raines has never advised Senator Obama about anything -- ever. And by the way, someone whose campaign manager and top advisor worked and lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac shouldn't be throwing stones from his seven glass houses.
UPDATE: McCain spokesman Brian Rogers notes that Obama didn't contradict the claim when it first appeared in the Post.
If you think THAT'S bad, check this out...

The orignal post on Franklin Raines I wrote yesterday had a link to wikipedia's page on him...

So what happened when this Politico article came out?...

The part where it says Franklin Raines is Obama's economic advisor has MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED!...

Can't say if it was the campaign itself or just one of Obama's fervent supporters who wants Obama to win so badly they're willing to hide the facts, but, as you can see, somebody doesn't want the public to know the truth about Obama's and Raines' connection, and they were fast and furious today in an attempt to make it happen...



Here's the cached version of the article BEFORE the sentence in question suddenly vanished...



As if a single declaration by Raines and a revision of Raines's bio will save Obama from the public knowing this...

Of course, Raines, Obama, and the cult-like followers will never be able to whitewash ALL of the internet like they'd want to...

Fanny, Freddie, and Obama

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"You look at Obama's economic advisers, the guys he has counted on from day one and who have raised him a ton -- and I mean a ton -- of money: Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of them are waist to neck deep in the mortgage debacle."

Both Raines and Johnson have served as CEO of Fannie Mae, with Raines taking over from Johnson. Both are key political and economic advisers to Obama.


"How can Obama go out with a straight face and saw it was Republicans who made this mess, when it is his key advisers who ran the agencies that made the big mess what it is?" says a Democrat House member who supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. "It's his people who are responsible for what may well be the single largest government bailout in history. And every single one of them made millions off the collapse that are lining Obama's campaign coffers. If the McCain campaign lets this one go, they deserve to lose."
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here's another article not yet cited by the mccain campaign or the media.

washington post (july 17, 2008)

Figures in Both Campaigns Have Deep Ties to Mortgage Giants

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Obama also has ties to the firms. James A. Johnson, the former head of his vice presidential vetting panel, was a chief executive of Fannie Mae, as was Franklin D. Raines, who said this week that he has been consulting with the campaign on housing issues. Maria Echaveste, a top Clinton White House official whose husband, Christopher Edley Jr., is a close Obama friend and adviser, has lobbied for Freddie Mac, and former commerce secretary William M. Daley, a top Obama backer, was an in-house lobbyist.
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campaign money for many Democrats, and even more Republicans, in the House and Senate. The campaign cash cracked the $10-million mark a while ago.


The companies have been famous for hiring big political names. Among them: former Clinton budget director Franklin Raines, Democratic operative Harold Ickes, Republican lobbyist and fundraiser Wayne Berman and former Republican congresswoman Susan Molinari.Fannie, Freddie Takeover May Mean Lobbying Curbs : NPR

Looks like both sets of hands are dirty.
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campaign money for many Democrats, and even more Republicans, in the House and Senate. The campaign cash cracked the $10-million mark a while ago.


The companies have been famous for hiring big political names. Among them: former Clinton budget director Franklin Raines, Democratic operative Harold Ickes, Republican lobbyist and fundraiser Wayne Berman and former Republican congresswoman Susan Molinari.Fannie, Freddie Takeover May Mean Lobbying Curbs : NPR

Looks like both sets of hands are dirty.
Why in the hell would you grin at such a thing???

It isn't good for America.

It isn't good for your candidate. It isn't good for McCain.

The only reason I can think of is because you are from the same f**king group of a**holes who would rather win an election than the war, who would be glad to win an election using any means foul or fair, no matter the evidence, no matter what happens to America.

I think you need to re-think what this election is all about. It's not a God damned football game. It's about who we are going to trust with our very future in the most crucial era this nation has seen since WWII.

Please review what it means to be a rational, patriotic American.

I think you've lost sight of the big picture.

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This one's too dumb to believe...

Actually, Obama is counting on the public being too dumb to believe it...

Yesterday, in another thread, I specifically pointed out that Franklin Raines is Obama's economic advisor...

Franklin Raines is the former CEO of Fannie Mae...The same people that gave Obama over $126,000 in donations, ranking him second in Fannie Mae lobbyist money only behind the Banking Committee chairman, Democratic Senator Chris Dodd...

So what happens when a McCain ad points this out?...

The usual...Obama's campaign gets another one of his friends to throw himself under the bus before his Messiah gets hurt by the truth...

Obama denies Raines ties



If you think THAT'S bad, check this out...

The orignal post on Franklin Raines I wrote yesterday had a link to wikipedia's page on him...

So what happened when this Politico article came out?...

The part where it says Franklin Raines is Obama's economic advisor has MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED!...

Can't say if it was the campaign itself or just one of Obama's fervent supporters who wants Obama to win so badly they're willing to hide the facts, but, as you can see, somebody doesn't want the public to know the truth about Obama's and Raines' connection, and they were fast and furious today in an attempt to make it happen...



Here's the cached version of the article BEFORE the sentence in question suddenly vanished...



As if a single declaration by Raines and a revision of Raines's bio will save Obama from the public knowing this...

Of course, Raines, Obama, and the cult-like followers will never be able to whitewash ALL of the internet like they'd want to...

Fanny, Freddie, and Obama
I am feeling incredibly agitated at the blatant, obvious, egregious chicanery on the part of the Obama campaign.

Incredibly agitated.

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Back at ya:

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With the mainstream media fixated on remarks by preachers at Trinity United Church in Chicago, it has largely ignored far more consequential comments by the president of the United States. Unlike the church sermons, these remarks go to the heart of how George W. Bush has governed as the leader of the free world as well as the likely approach of John McCain, who endorsed what Bush had to say.

In remarks before the Israeli Knesset, President George Bush implicitly conflated Barack Obama's willingness to talk with hostile foreign leaders with appeasement of the Nazis. To strengthen his case Bush cited an unnamed Senator who allegedly said, "As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland ... 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided."

The Senator to whom this quote is attributed was not a Democrat, but Republican William Borah of Idaho. If Borah is to be a negative exemplar for today's foreign policy, the upshot is the opposite of what President Bush would have us believe.

Unlike Obama, Borah was not an advocate of multilateral foreign policy committed to engagement with an often messy and unpleasant world. Like most other Republicans in the years between the world wars, and much like President Bush today, Borah was a nationalist who believed that America should act unilaterally to protect and advance its exceptional civilization and not tie its destiny to foreign peoples and regimes.

George W. Bush's Revisionist History | CommonDreams.org
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John McCain's revisionist history
"We have turned things around from a failed strategy of Rumsfeld, which I was the only one that spoke strongly against, to a new strategy, which I supported, which is succeeding."

That's Sen. John McCain in an interview with Charlie Rose, and there are two points worth making about the "straight talk" he was delivering.

First, as Think Progress has noted before, McCain didn't always "speak strongly" against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's strategy in Iraq. In March 2004, he declared that the United States was "on the right course" in Iraq. And in December 2005, he predicted that, "a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

Second, to the extent that McCain did "speak strongly" against the Rumsfeld strategy, he was hardly "the only one." While McCain was campaigning for George W. Bush's reelection in 2004, for example, Bush's opponent was criticizing Rumsfeld's war strategy and calling on him to resign.

John McCain's revisionist history - War Room - Salon.com
Reagan infamously thought trees created the greenhouse gases that caused global warming thereby wasting valuable time and diverting funds and resources away from research efforts that could have helped head off this problem years earlier.

- he spent billions on his Strategic Defense Initiative (aka the "Star Wars" missile defense system), which was never completed (or even proven to work), based on the premise of not only defending the US from Soviet missile attacks but also on his sincere belief that it would protect the US from alien attack (I am not making this up).

- he took about six years to acknowledge that AIDS was a serious public health problem that needed to be addressed and researched and not just an issue to pander to the "moral majority" conservatives with by baiting gays and denouncing the homosexual "lifestyle choice."

And, as reported in Newsweek:

- he failed to shrink big government, contrary to one of his supposed claims to fame. The number of federal employees actually grew by 7 percent during his two terms.

- federal spending also increased as a proportion of national output.

and

- while, committed to balancing the budget, he ran the largest peacetime deficits in American history and tripled the national debt.
Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, in a pre-taped video eulogy, celebrated Reagan as being responsible for ending the Cold War "without firing a shot." Well, maybe the US themselves never actually fired any shots but there were plenty of proxy battles between the two Cold War superpowers in Central America (Nicuragaua, El Salvador etc.), Africa and most notably, Afghanistan where the CIA armed and trained the anti-Soviet freedom fighters like Osama Bin-Laden who would later morph into the Taliban and groups that would form the basis for the Al-Qaeda terrorist network.

The re-casting of Reagan as the reason for the end of the Cold War, the major point being advanced in the media's revision of Reagan's legacy, is either outright false or, at best, an arguably incomplete analysis. Soley crediting Reagan without acknowledging the contribution of former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev ignores key facts such as:
- the economically weak Soviet communist empire would have likely collapsed anyway without the effect of them trying to keep up with the US military build-up under Reagan (although, admittedly, it might have taken a little longer than it actually did).

- the Soviets themselves realized economic collapse was inevitable without serious reform and brought in Gorbachev knowing that they needed a leader strong enough to stand up to the Politburo and make the institutional reforms necessary to save the Soviet empire.


Contrary to the picture painted last week of Reagan being a benign and warm president eternally optimistic about the future of America, I remember Reagan as being painfully disconnected from much of America and antagonistic to the poor, minorities and gays either because of policies he supported or through his public addresses which were often infused with loaded codewords like the infamous "welfare queen" which helped stir up anti-poor and black sentiment.


Much of the Reagan legacy remains with us today: the fiscal policy of using tax cuts as economic stimulus on the basis of the "trickle down theory," now known as "Reaganomics," was widely-discredited (and consided a failure) after his presidency until Bush reintroduced them to little or not effect. The Bush senior administration is littered with old Reagan era staffers and Bush is still actively advocating the SDI missile defense system even though, in a post-9/11, post-Iraq world, it seems pretty obvious that the paradigm for future armed conflict has probably shifted away from the dueling superpower model. Even his choice for National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice a Sovietologist and expert cold war theoretician, is a throwback to the Reagan era of thinking about the world around us. Notes from a Different Kitchen

Nope, Sparky, I'd say the Republicans of the past thirty years have cornered the revisionist history market!
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In 2006 John McCain tried to prevent this mess and the Democrats stopped him.



Hot Air Blog Archive McCain’s attempt to fix Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac in 2005; Update: Obama can’t get AIG right

Raines is a guilty party. Obama is as thick with him as he was with Ayers, Rezko, Auchi and the rest.

The only difference is that now we see an example of Obama's pattern exposed before our very eyes.

And the Obamabots will continue to deny it and support this con-man.

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In 2006 John McCain tried to prevent this mess and the Democrats stopped him.



Hot Air Blog Archive McCain’s attempt to fix Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac in 2005; Update: Obama can’t get AIG right

Raines is a guilty party. Obama is as thick with him as he was with Ayers, Rezko, Auchi and the rest.

The only difference is that now we see an example of Obama's pattern exposed before our very eyes.

And the Obamabots will continue to deny it and support this con-man.

Oh yeah, Sparky, I can repost too donchaknow?

Back at ya:

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With the mainstream media fixated on remarks by preachers at Trinity United Church in Chicago, it has largely ignored far more consequential comments by the president of the United States. Unlike the church sermons, these remarks go to the heart of how George W. Bush has governed as the leader of the free world as well as the likely approach of John McCain, who endorsed what Bush had to say.

In remarks before the Israeli Knesset, President George Bush implicitly conflated Barack Obama's willingness to talk with hostile foreign leaders with appeasement of the Nazis. To strengthen his case Bush cited an unnamed Senator who allegedly said, "As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland ... 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided."

The Senator to whom this quote is attributed was not a Democrat, but Republican William Borah of Idaho. If Borah is to be a negative exemplar for today's foreign policy, the upshot is the opposite of what President Bush would have us believe.

Unlike Obama, Borah was not an advocate of multilateral foreign policy committed to engagement with an often messy and unpleasant world. Like most other Republicans in the years between the world wars, and much like President Bush today, Borah was a nationalist who believed that America should act unilaterally to protect and advance its exceptional civilization and not tie its destiny to foreign peoples and regimes.

George W. Bush's Revisionist History | CommonDreams.org
Quote:
John McCain's revisionist history
"We have turned things around from a failed strategy of Rumsfeld, which I was the only one that spoke strongly against, to a new strategy, which I supported, which is succeeding."

That's Sen. John McCain in an interview with Charlie Rose, and there are two points worth making about the "straight talk" he was delivering.

First, as Think Progress has noted before, McCain didn't always "speak strongly" against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's strategy in Iraq. In March 2004, he declared that the United States was "on the right course" in Iraq. And in December 2005, he predicted that, "a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

Second, to the extent that McCain did "speak strongly" against the Rumsfeld strategy, he was hardly "the only one." While McCain was campaigning for George W. Bush's reelection in 2004, for example, Bush's opponent was criticizing Rumsfeld's war strategy and calling on him to resign.

John McCain's revisionist history - War Room - Salon.com
Reagan infamously thought trees created the greenhouse gases that caused global warming thereby wasting valuable time and diverting funds and resources away from research efforts that could have helped head off this problem years earlier.

- he spent billions on his Strategic Defense Initiative (aka the "Star Wars" missile defense system), which was never completed (or even proven to work), based on the premise of not only defending the US from Soviet missile attacks but also on his sincere belief that it would protect the US from alien attack (I am not making this up).

- he took about six years to acknowledge that AIDS was a serious public health problem that needed to be addressed and researched and not just an issue to pander to the "moral majority" conservatives with by baiting gays and denouncing the homosexual "lifestyle choice."

And, as reported in Newsweek:

- he failed to shrink big government, contrary to one of his supposed claims to fame. The number of federal employees actually grew by 7 percent during his two terms.

- federal spending also increased as a proportion of national output.

and

- while, committed to balancing the budget, he ran the largest peacetime deficits in American history and tripled the national debt.
Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, in a pre-taped video eulogy, celebrated Reagan as being responsible for ending the Cold War "without firing a shot." Well, maybe the US themselves never actually fired any shots but there were plenty of proxy battles between the two Cold War superpowers in Central America (Nicuragaua, El Salvador etc.), Africa and most notably, Afghanistan where the CIA armed and trained the anti-Soviet freedom fighters like Osama Bin-Laden who would later morph into the Taliban and groups that would form the basis for the Al-Qaeda terrorist network.

The re-casting of Reagan as the reason for the end of the Cold War, the major point being advanced in the media's revision of Reagan's legacy, is either outright false or, at best, an arguably incomplete analysis. Soley crediting Reagan without acknowledging the contribution of former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev ignores key facts such as:
- the economically weak Soviet communist empire would have likely collapsed anyway without the effect of them trying to keep up with the US military build-up under Reagan (although, admittedly, it might have taken a little longer than it actually did).

- the Soviets themselves realized economic collapse was inevitable without serious reform and brought in Gorbachev knowing that they needed a leader strong enough to stand up to the Politburo and make the institutional reforms necessary to save the Soviet empire.


Contrary to the picture painted last week of Reagan being a benign and warm president eternally optimistic about the future of America, I remember Reagan as being painfully disconnected from much of America and antagonistic to the poor, minorities and gays either because of policies he supported or through his public addresses which were often infused with loaded codewords like the infamous "welfare queen" which helped stir up anti-poor and black sentiment.


Much of the Reagan legacy remains with us today: the fiscal policy of using tax cuts as economic stimulus on the basis of the "trickle down theory," now known as "Reaganomics," was widely-discredited (and consided a failure) after his presidency until Bush reintroduced them to little or not effect. The Bush senior administration is littered with old Reagan era staffers and Bush is still actively advocating the SDI missile defense system even though, in a post-9/11, post-Iraq world, it seems pretty obvious that the paradigm for future armed conflict has probably shifted away from the dueling superpower model. Even his choice for National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice a Sovietologist and expert cold war theoretician, is a throwback to the Reagan era of thinking about the world around us. Notes from a Different Kitchen

Nope, Sparky, I'd say the Republicans of the past thirty years have cornered the revisionist history market!
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